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The Depopulationists Are On the Move Again
June 17, 2015
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“ Of all the creatures that creep and breathe on earth, there is none more wretched than man. ”

— Homer

 

The depopulationists are on the move again, pushing hard for the elimination of six billion people on planet Earth in order to bring the planet down to what's being touted as its "sustainable carrying capacity of one billion people."

Due to a history of repeated extinction events the planetary supply of ascorbic acid was dwindling. This dwindling supply of ascorbic acid contributed to unstable environmental conditions on earth. The amount of time it would take evolutionary punctuated equilibrium to create a high tech intelligence would take too long in a fluctuating environment.  In such an environment the hominid species had a greater chance of going extinct before the species could evolve a high level intelligence.

It has been hypothesized that the early hominids where a benign species.  The big problem that the hominids would have in living in a rapidly changing environment is that they could not adjust quickly to environmental extremes. The second phase of Directed Panspermia took one of the biggest gambles in evolutionary punctuated equilibrium that the cosmos has ever scene. The L-gulonolactone oxidase molecule was deactivated; the liver was no longer able to produce ascorbic acid. The shutting down of ascorbic acid synthesis accentuated biochemical pathways which accelerated brain development.

There is no way of knowing how many varieties of hominid species lost the ability to make ascorbic acid.  According to Professor Lahn the complexity of the human brain is not the result of a gradual evolution.  He further states that humans are the only species on earth that have brains that are the result of an extraordinary accelerated evolution. I find the following quote from Professor Lahn fascinating, “simply put, evolution has been working very hard to produce us humans.”

It has been hypothesized that the deactivation of the L-gulonolactone oxidase molecule changed the hominids from a benign species to one of a predator.  It is well known that predators are much smarter than their prey. Predators teach their young how to hunt, predators usually hunt in packs, they have to strategize, communicate with others in their pack and anticipate the actions of their prey otherwise they are in a state of constantly learning. This on the job training (OJT) would be advantageous in an ever changing environment. Adaptation is no longer a slow process.  Hominid the predator is now hypoascorbemic.

This new hominid is susceptible to scurvy or subclinical scurvy related diseases. Hominid the predator now has to find new sources of ascorbic acid. If ascorbic acid is not sufficient in the surrounding vegetation to sustain life they now have to kill to get ascorbic acid by consuming fresh meat. During periods of famine Hominid the predator could out compete those hominids that still had the ability to make their own ascorbic acid. The old hominids preferred to supplement their own ascorbic acid with the local vegetation when there was a famine they did not have the mental capacity to adjust their diet to a new source of ascorbic acid. These hominids were too specialized.

Hominid the predator had the capability to adjust, they learned to kill for an alternate source of ascorbic acid. The very sad thing about this second phase of Directed Panspermia is that mankind in order to survive on Earth exchanged their benign temperament and longevity of life through their internal synthesis of ascorbic acid for rapid brain development and a predator mentality.

Even though this exchange occurred many millions of years ago the Human species continues to pay a heavy price for this trade off that helped to ensure our survival in a hostile environment. Since mankind cannot synthesize their own ascorbic acid anymore they could compensate by tapping into the plentiful supply of ascorbic acid in the environment mainly through ingesting plant and animal life.

Just as Dr. Irwin Stone had observed even though mankind’s source of ascorbic acid is obtained through the environment it is never enough to replace what was synthesized internally. As a result mankind is in a chronic state of hypoascorbemia. The hypoascorbemic diseases range from subclinical scurvy to cancer.  There will be no gallivanting through the cosmos as long as mankind is hypoascorbemic. This biochemical trade off permanently placed the human species under quarantine on the planet Earth.

From an Orthomolecular perspective there has been a long held theory that if the L-gulono-γ-lactone oxidase can be reactivated in the genome of Homo sapiens this would eliminate the need for any kind of forced extermination of the human population on Earth. It would be appropriate to end this dialogue with a quote from the late Irwin Stone PhD a pioneer in the field of Orthomolecular medicine: The evidence we unearth will show that the lack of this molecule (L-gulonolactone oxidase molecule) in humans has contributed to more deaths, sickness, and just plain misery than any other single factor in man’s long history. When the molecule is finally discovered and assigned its rightful place in the scheme of things, and its potentialities for good are fully realized, undreamed-of vistas of exuberant health, freedom from disease, and long life will be opened up.”

It appears that the engineers of Homo Sapiens are fallible. They make mistakes. They did a sloppy job of designing us humans. Over 4000 defects in the human genome. There is no survival advantage with this amount of defects. As they continue to deal with earthly organizations who will misuse advanced technologies for world domination. As the supply of environmental ascorbic acid dwindles do to the misuse of technology all complex life forms on earth will eventually go extinct except for prokaryotes (simple bacteria).

These advanced technological civilizations are not so advanced after all. They cannot discern between good and bad. What is the use of having all this advanced technology ( the bending of space to create wormholes for space travel and anything else) if they lack compassion. What a waste!Frown

 

                                                                                                                                                

June 17, 2015
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Three things:

1 ) The Human species was NOT engineered, it was NOT designed, it is the result of a very long series of generational adaptations through many different forms.  Furthermore our current state of environment, socio-political, religious, economic, and industrial idiocy is a result of Agriculture and its management starting about 8000 years ago.  We are not a failure, we a are constantly evolving species that has to work the bugs out of its adaptations on a consistent basis.

2 ) Culling is a very strong word and implies elimination through death.  Any group intent on culling as a depopulation method is being murderous for murders sake.  As of the last decade we have the arrival of the Epicyte Sterility corn now in the hands of Monsanto Corp & US Govt. If depopulation was needed they could covertly insert it into the worlds supply and the humanity would disappear rather peacefully for the most part within 75 years.  The old question of "If you could go back and time and kill Hitler, would you?" can now be answered "No, I'd go back in time and sterilize his mother and the mothers of the rest of the Nazi Hierarchy  by feeding them Epicyte Corn."

3) Durable self sufficient self sustaining Vertical Linear Arcology trumps the hypothetical Malthusean Human population bomb by taking 2d equations into 3d and applying recycling and hydroponics.  Currently if we built arterial cities (Verticle Linear Arcologies) along the USA's major length roads ways such as I-80, I-75, RT66, RT6, et cetera we could easily fit the entire world population in to the USA and reduce Humanity's footprints while increasing its efficiency and stabilizing its population growth.

June 20, 2015
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The Human species was NOT engineered, it was NOT designed,

 

The evidence just doesn't support your claim. For the sake of brevity I will pose a series of factual scientific statements for you to ponder over.

The human genome project which was completed 10 or 15 years ago found over 4000 genetic defects in the human genome. Question for you is how can this be a survival advantage? Our closest relative the Chimpanzee has 150 to 200 genetic defects.

Going back to our closest relative the Chimpanzee, they have 48 chromosomes and humans have 46 chromosomes. Also the chimps do not have one "identical" bone matching any human bones.

The human chromosome 2 is a fusion the ape chromosome 12 & 13. So far the fusing of two chromosomes can only be done in a laboratory environment. 

June 21, 2015
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If we were engineered then we have to ask why weren't we debugged 100%. The answer is we were not engineered.

The difference between a Human and Chimpanzee isn't a matter of how many defects occurred, BUT why they occurred what were the sources, and the answer to those is environment.  While a Chimpanzee is largely exposed to solar radiation, Humans have daily exposed themselves to various artificial radiations, mutagenic chemicals, and mined raw elements and compounds for a few hundred years.

Your answer is not dealing with the GMO Human sterility gene, a Weapon of Mass Extinction, now in possession of a couple private corporations, and its creation at behest of the US Government.

June 23, 2015
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If you believe humans or Homo Sapiens were not genetically engineered, I have to assume you believe that they are a product of Darwinian evolution. So far you have not indicated how humans came to be on this planet. Lets say you believe they came about through evolution. You still have not answered the question which is how can 4000 genetic defects in the human genome be a survival advantage in Darwinian evolution?

June 24, 2015
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All species on this planet came to be here sort of by chance.  When environmental conditions are correct atoms organize themselves into molecules and compounds, and with energies and fields (possibly even the hypothetical Morphic Field) involved life simply happens, and then through evolutionary process life evolves into a multitude of different forms.

The problem with saying we were designed leads to endless series of "who designed the designers then?"  At some point in that path of endless monotonous question one must conclude that they too came into being by chance and then saying we were designed becomes "do you have concrete proof we didn't evolve naturally?"

When we are discussing even the pan spermia hypothesis we are talking about even that single chance that organism underwent evolution and creation simply by chance somewhere before being spread via planetary and cosmic mishaps.  Its still means somewhere along the line evolution happens.

NOW there is a very incredible slim hypothetical chance with infinitismal odds that somewhere someplace a species that evolved from that point in its own history became involved in a runaway Technological Singularity that became subatomic to such sub quantum degree that it thusly merged with itself and all intelligent lifeforms became the artificial equivalent of what we call God , and to experience all of creation it organized molecules and inserted its controls into all life forms from some Master Computer.  BUT that's really hard to prove, and is more Theology & Folklore than Science.

BUT I think you are talking about some extraterrestrials like the alleged Greys coming down here and putting a population of 3D printed Humans on Earth somewhere in the past.  In which case its just insulting the Human species and all the Fossil evidence with more Von Danikenism nonsense.

June 27, 2015
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Hello: 

I have enjoyed our debate. I am sorry to say you have not answered the questions I have posed to you. It is safe to say that anything I say will not change your mind. I will end this debate with the following statement:

The Nobel Prize winning Francis Crick of the Watson & Crick team who discovered the double helix structure of the DNA molecule, made a provocative observation about the genesis of the DNA molecule in the latter years of his life which has never been given much credence by the scientific community.  Francis Crick states that the “DNA molecule (the essence of life) is far too complicated to have got started by accident on this planet.” Crick’s statement goes counter to the existing conventional wisdom. He believed it was highly improbable that a primeval soup with billions of molecules bumping around each other could produce the DNA molecule. Francis Crick to further clarify his observation makes an analogy by stating that the assembly of the DNA molecule in a primeval soup would be like assembling a fully functional Jumbo Jet by a hurricane in a junkyard.

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Crick's 62 year old assumptions will probably lose to modern experimentation.  (see reference article:

http://io9.com/this-experiment.....1715338577 )

As I said when the right conditions exist and the right ingredients exist the recipe for life can result in life from time to time. 

No matter what you say about DNA being designed you have not answered how the primary" designer" life form came into existence and what that life form is. The next best thing to carbon based life form would be a silicon based one, but silicon lacks as many connection points so carbon is likely the primary base element for life most often seen in the multiverse.  How did this primary designer come into being if not through biogenesis mechanisms such as we are finding for our own existence?

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Aquatank said
Crick's 62 year old assumptions will probably lose to modern experimentation.  (see reference article:

http://io9.com/this-experiment.....1715338577 )

As I said when the right conditions exist and the right ingredients exist the recipe for life can result in life from time to time. 

No matter what you say about DNA being designed you have not answered how the primary" designer" life form came into existence and what that life form is. The next best thing to carbon based life form would be a silicon based one, but silicon lacks as many connection points so carbon is likely the primary base element for life most often seen in the multiverse.  How did this primary designer come into being if not through biogenesis mechanisms such as we are finding for our own existence?

The primary designer is "Directed Panspermia".  How "Directed Panspermia" is orchestrated is anybodies guess. Let's say your correct about the right ingredients and right conditions in order for life to take place. How does this come about in a changing environment which most planetary ecosystems have? In a controlled laboratory setting the right conditions and the right ingredients may produce something akin to a primordial ooze. 

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Evolution still can't explain how our brains tripled in size or how we become conscious of ourself and the universe. Now I see many flaws with humans so I don't like to think a deity created "perfect" humans because we simplify are not perfect. But, its possible are genetic code was tampered with. This would explain how our brains grew so quickly in a short period of time.     

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