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February 24, 2016 - 11:05 pm
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I have been looking at this subject for months and I find the whole thing fascinating.

So for the purposes of redundancy, let's put aside all other arguments for and against on this site and let's face it there are a few. Now that the playing field is now level and the scoreboard is reset to 0.

We need to address the fact that for some the road is going to be bumpy and there are going to be obstacles put in the way by those who still want to believe the lie for whatever reason. 

I know this is going to happen as it happens when I have shown people out there in the real world. It is a subject which can cause fights and has, it can cause loss of friends and alienation of family and it has in some cases.

So let's begin.

The Cuban missile crisis and the commencement in earnest of the cold war was in earnest during the sixties particularly during JFK's time as President and there was a lot of sabre rattling from America and the USSR. Communism was on the Rise since the McCarthy era and Vietnam was now on the radar a very risky time to be alive that is for sure, as nobody knew if we would still be here tomorrow given the constant shadow of the threat of all out Nuclear War. (Not much different today)

Technology was not so greatly advanced, Computers took specially coded hole cards and took up huge rooms just to do the simplest of tasks. Putting a man on the moon was never going to be easy if it could have been done at all. The mathematical equations for the design, propulsion, fuel, payload, trajectory etc etc were and are mind boggling and worst of all it had to be done manually then checked and double checked manually and checked again using the computer of the day which took up huge areas.

With the benefit of hindsight and modern technology we can investigate and research nearly every aspect of the "Moon Landings"

One of the biggest obstacles of the Moon missions was and still is Van Alans Belt a radiation layer that surrounds the earth, let's hear what NASA has said about that:

The thing to remember is if they can't do it today how can they claim that they did it in 1969.

I look forward to your replies.

Fred

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The first test flight of Orion will be unmanned, to test the vehicle and the new SLS rocket, that will be powered by SSME engines taken off the retired shuttle fleet. The video illustrated the Delta IV heavy, that is powered by RS68 engines, but that is not the rocket that will launch the first Orion flight. We will fly to the moon and fly to mars using Orion, the first flight is to be in 2018 I think.  

We went to the moon in 1969, and returned, and it has been proven many times over, it was not a hoax.  The lunar landing sites have been photographed not long ago, showing what we left, and the tracks from the lunar rover completly still visiable.  

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February 25, 2016 - 6:16 am
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First,

I see one of the true believers has commented. Welcome. I note your response and I see you do not address the content of the video evidence as presented. I also note what you did write and you do not offer any evidence to support your claims. This could indicate a closed mind or a preconceived notion that supports a specific outcome which, in this case what "The powers that be" want you to continue to believe or simply someone who is scared to challenge the "Official Story" by allowing proper investigation of claimed facts as disseminated by the United States Government or NASA. Both organizations who have been proven to liars more than once in history.

I look forward to your presentation of the counter argument Mr. Greenwald.

[I have done my research and note you are the board owners father, I have also in the course of that research seen what happens to people with whom you disagree, so I would rather you put your evidence forward as you make your counter claims, this way all the evidence for and against can be put forward and be assessed on it's merits. If however you wish to make broad based statements without backing it up with evidence the credibility of your arguments will naturally as a result be questioned as would you or anyone doing similar things]

I therefore look forward to seeing your supporting evidence in relation to the following statement of yours "We went to the moon in 1969, and returned, and it has been proven many times over, it was not a hoax.  The lunar landing sites have been photographed not long ago, showing what we left, and the tracks from the lunar rover completly still visiable."

The Firmament - Van Allens Belt?

According to scripture the Firmament is the barrier between the earth and heaven the sun and moon are beyond the firmament.

Does this imply that to go beyond the firmament (The Moon and other planets in our Solar System) mean we have to die to achieve this?

Given that the radiation levels are so extreme in the Van Allen Belt a space craft with lead shielding of at least 4ft thick would be required. None of the Apollo craft had such shielding and nor did any of the Shuttles.

Strange don't you think?

https://youtu.be/6TEEWxqzx3M

I look forward to your replies.

Fred

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February 25, 2016 - 6:39 am
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As a thought, Maybe I am getting a little ahead of myself and everyone else.

Maybe we would be better served looking at NASA's history first then moving on because not many people know the true story behind NASA or they have bought the mainstream media's version of truth as feed to them by "The Powers that be"

So here is a video about the true history of NASA (Never A Straight Answer).

https://youtu.be/yaT2G4fMT4o

Please note there are several links to other videos on the subject in the information section of the video which are all worth watching and saving.

I'll allow a week or so to allow people to watch and absorb the information and check out for themselves and then perhaps all that is presented so far can be discussed openly and honestly. To do that though, honesty has to come from within first otherwise it is just pointless.

Fred

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fred said

I look forward to your presentation of the counter argument Mr. Greenwald.

[I have done my research and note you are the board owners father, I have also in the course of that research seen what happens to people with whom you disagree, so I would rather you put your evidence forward as you make your counter claims, this way all the evidence for and against can be put forward and be assessed on it's merits. If however you wish to make broad based statements without backing it up with evidence the credibility of your arguments will naturally as a result be questioned as would you or anyone doing similar things]

Respectfully, and first off, it's Greenewald. However, with my next statement, this may support you kind of have not done your research.

1) Nothing has happened to anyone on this board that my dad disagrees with, or whom disagrees with my dad. In fact, I disagree with him on many issues, much of which have been argued here publicly over the years.

2) No one has the power to ban, but me. And those that I have banned, trust me, it was worth it in every case and had nothing to do with greeney2.

3) The burden of proof to prove, well, whatever it is you are trying to, is on YOU.  No one can state a claim, then make everyone else disprove them and provide evidence. If you feel otherwise, then my guess is you won't get many responses.

4) Out of the people who have contributed to this thread, only one that I know of actually worked for the space program, and worked with the people who put us on the moon. In addition, he was crucial for the Space Shuttle program to be the success that it was. My guess is that it's not you, and it isn't me, so....

5) There have been many articles and videos explaining how Apollo went through the Van Allen Radiation Belts.

Popular Science: http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts

This video explains quite a bit in plain English.

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Fred, we went to the moon and returned many times, and they proved without a shadow of a doubt, the moon was not made out of cheese.  People were convinced it was a big block of cheese before we went.  They took a grill and hamburgers with them, and thought they could just gather a slice of cheese off the ground, any kind of cheese, and make the first moon cheeseburger. That part of the moon mission was a complete failure, and never was told to the public, that is the "moon hoax".  All of us who worked on the program were sworn to never reviel that secret, which is now unclassified, and common knowledge, they have many utube videos about it.  It may be the biggest conspiracy to man, and many conspiracy theories have been written about it, those who do not believe it are just stupid.  Orion's belt in the stars actually does not have a belt by the way, they have proven its actually an elastic band, and I defy anyone to prove different. 

Please prove to me the moon is cheese,  since we never went there.  We proved it wasn't. 

Fred, you seem to know alot about me and claim to know "the truth".  If you are a truthful person, why not just say who you are from the past here, and show all this evidence about me, you seem to know about. 

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To Jr,

Woah! Aren't we an aggressive type. Is this what I should expect of you when your father is asked to prove what he is stating? I find your attitude very threatening and abusive for no legitimate reason, I can't say what kind of week you are having, it doesn't seem to be a week I would want, seriously take a chill pill or something man because whatever it is that is pissing you isn't me.

1. Spelling of your name an oversight, I am sure it is a common mistake by a lot of people, no biggie. People misspell my name all the time I don't go berserk when it happens I just politely let them know the correct spelling and move on.

2. I never made any statement to the contrary. I made a statement that  was is based on what I saw from posts on other threads involving people who were banned after they challenged your father. I saw what I saw, and what I did see was enough to give a strong suggestion to me at least that I was correct in my beliefs and that is my opinion to which I am entitled.

Further, I find your post to me to be somewhat bating a trap, because it strikes me that you could try to assert that I was attacking or breaking rules. NOPE.

Saying "[I have done my research and note you are the board owners father, I have also in the course of that research seen what happens to people with whom you disagree, so I would rather you put your evidence forward as you make your counter claims, this way all the evidence for and against can be put forward and be assessed on it's merits. If however you wish to make broad based statements without backing it up with evidence the credibility of your arguments will naturally as a result be questioned as would you or anyone doing similar things]" can in no way be interpreted as any kind of threat or attack as I clearly stated that I wanted the counter argument presented with evidence so the entirety of evidence could be assessed. I also clearly stated my reasoning behind the statement.

3. The burden of Proof is upon the person making the statement. If you make a statement to me, You must prove it and the same applies to me, it is never only me that has to prove a statement.

4. Who worked at NASA? Name and position and when did they work there so that the information can be verified  with NASA please?

5. No doubt there have and there have been several scientists and scientific papers written that have been become public in recent years (around 5 or so) that have dispelled the previous information. Also NASA themselves have done a back flip as disclosed in the first 3 videos presented in this thread.

I would suggest your reaction may just be a bit over the top and although you are owner of the site and I am a user your rule of respecting others applies in both directions. If you can't do that just delete my account from your records because I don't need this aggressiveness toward me in my life without any reason.

In response to the video you presented:

First, Thank you.

Popular science appears to be in opposition to information stated by NASA officials in recent years, in particular as evidenced in my first posting on thread of discussion.

I note that no citations (links to documents and dates of release) were given in the video you presented or in the information section on YouTube® which is can be interpreted as either suspicious or pure laziness on the part of Popular Science.

My third posting on this thread of discussion asked people to look at the History of NASA as I felt I may have gotten a little too far ahead of people to just jump straight into this subject, I would ask you to do the same.

If people are not willing to look at what is presented we are going to get nowhere and if this is going to be the general attitude absolutely nothing will ever be accomplished by this site at all. It makes me wonder why anyone would invest so much time and energy in presenting such a site only to stifle intelligent investigation of facts.

To Sr,

I am stupid because I don't believe what I have been told by successive Governments that have become, since JFK so absolutely corrupt about something they say happened when I have enough evidence to say with little doubt is a lie.

That although I joined yesterday and that I "seem to know a lot about" you that I must be someone from the past? I can't speak to other peoples actions nor will I attempt to.

I registered yesterday after looking at the site for a month or so now. So we are clear I am on other blogs or sites similar, none have a data base as large. Much of it is of little interest, I am interested in two things NASA's biggest lie and Elvis.

I did not come here for confrontations but it goes with the subject sadly. If confrontations are what I can expect here, I won't be here it's that simple. If you want intelligent discussion fine if you don't you can hump somebody elses ass because mine won't be here.

Have a nice day. I have work to do.

See ya next week perhaps.

Fred

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*sigh*

Coaxing me into some epic battle about whether or not we landed on the moon, isn't going to happen. Insinuating I am a bully, doesn't motivate me either.

Maybe someone else will want to chime in, but with the evidence that is out there, it negates your claim about the Van Allen belt, and convincingly shows NASA would achieve astronaut survival in doing so. If that's all you have, and those are the videos you want to show, then there really hasn't been much research done on your part.

Here is more research taken from a document I received directly from NASA - all about the science of radiation and why/how they were able to do it: http://documents.theblackvault.....rotect.pdf

 Since you didn't catch on, my father worked on the Space Shuttle program, and did for quite some time. Since you know my name, you can venture a guess what his name is. That's about as far as I am going to go in releasing my father's personal information.  I, nor he, has to prove anything to you in relation to his past history, and his contributions to the space program.  Plus, you can't just call NASA and verify employment, even if we were to play your game.  The fact that you think someone would confirm a work history with someone who has nothing to do with anything, other than a message board "moon hoax" theory, is ludicrous.

I wish you luck in your research. However, I ask you don't come here, and when someone responds to you, tell us you know all about what happens to people when you have a disagreement.  There are a handful of people who have done the same thing you just did, with the same tone, so I can only venture a guess on whether or not you've been here before, and found yourself in the same boat then as you do now - with one foot out the door by your own choosing, like saying "delete my account".  

I am the site owner, you're right about that, and I don't create this forum to keep people out.  

But, if you think you're the first one to challenge me, tell me I am "aggressive" and a bully just because I am not going to allow you to throw accusations, then you try and play the victim card, you are sorely mistaken. 

Sincerely,

 

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Fred, I'm honored you took so much time to write all that, but the fact of the matter is you posted all this, loaded for bear, and hoping for a problem, for the first opportunity to talk crap about me.  Nobody would bring up any of what you said, unless they had a history here, and sick enough to care about it now.  

Nice try, and by the way, not one rock we brought back from the moon, tested positive for any kind of cheese. I look forward to your proof that is not true. 

 

  

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"Fred, I'm honored you took so much time to write all that, but the fact of the matter is you posted all this, loaded for bear, and hoping for a problem, for the first opportunity to talk crap about me.  Nobody would bring up any of what you said, unless they had a history here, and sick enough to care about it now.  

Nice try, and by the way, not one rock we brought back from the moon, tested positive for any kind of cheese. I look forward to your proof that is not true."

Glad I stuck around long enough to see the continued aggression.

Good bye. I'll be sure to inform everyone what to expect here. I have copied the entire interaction for my records and an expose`, coming to a website close to you soon maybe even a YouTube® about the Blackvault and it's father son duo may be in order.

Fred, out.

 

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