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YOU LIED!!!!!!!
February 24, 2011
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Different.

Yes--I'm aware of the official line, but If I were to post some very up close on ground in country high res shots, one from each theater --not many could tell a difference--and at the end of the day the reason given for each--we can call it a conflict I suppose--was not the truth.

Afghanistan:

A Militant extremist group created by US Interest---end of story.

Iraq:

So why are we still there? If there were no WMD's, Saddam is long since hanged, why not end it?

What should we do now?

I'm all ears, have a go--what should we do now?

Cole

February 24, 2011
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A Militant extremist group created by US Interest---end of story.

Careful, Cole. Your ignorance is showing.

The US didn't create the Taliban, you funded them when they where a guerilla fighting force absent of political agendas to fight the soviets. When they started imposing strict sharia law, and killing everyone who didn't cooperate funding ceased. I suppose the US should have been able to see into the future in order to avoid spending money into a group that would later become hostile to the west.

What should we do now?

I'm all ears, have a go--what should we do now?

I'm not claiming to have the answer, I'm not even saying there is a definite right answer. I'm just saying that is the important thing to talk about, now how you got to this point, but what do you do now.

Everyone I'm sure has an opinion on that. I think you should get out of Iraq, but stay in Afghanistan. That is my nutshell opinion. What is yours?

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

February 24, 2011
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Taliban was and IS a product of US Intelligence---are you saying that this isn't a fact?

Start spinning Laugh

Cole

February 24, 2011
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. The Taliban where not created by US intelligence, they recieved training and funds, if I give a school money it doesn't mean I created it.

Unless I'm wrong, of course, at which point I'd be happy to receive some literature.

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

February 25, 2011
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"Tairaa" wrote: Yes, that's what I'm saying. The Taliban where not created by US intelligence, they recieved training and funds, if I give a school money it doesn't mean I created it.

Unless I'm wrong, of course, at which point I'd be happy to receive some literature.

Yeah--I've got a file on that here somewhere---out of time today--I'll search and post in the am:
Roger that---Just in case I'm wrong! Laugh

Cole

February 25, 2011
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billy said:

Don't diss the 3 Stooges, they were much smarter.

LOL. Hey, king of one liners, how ya been? How's the cabin life treating ya? I remember you posting a few beautiful pics as it was coming along. If you would be so kind as to point me to that thread, I'd love to take a look at the finished product.

Hope 2011 is treating you good, billy.

Dawkins thinks belief in God is an excuse to evade thinking in the scientific world. Sadly, he is ignorant to the list of christian scientists who have contributed & founded many of the sciences he himself believes in. How ironic.

February 25, 2011
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He's scabbed up a bit---tell him to quit chasing runaway cars, cars that in the end, aren't his! Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

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February 25, 2011
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Smokin joe!!
What's up? Long time no see.

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

February 25, 2011
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Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

Interview of Zbigniew Brzezinski Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76*

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinionthis aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

* There are at least two editions of this magazine; with the perhaps sole exception of the Library of Congress, the version sent to the United States is shorter than the French version, and the Brzezinski interview was notThe above has been translated from the French by Bill Blum author of the indispensible, "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II" and "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" Portions of the books can be read at: <http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm&#62;

Here's a decent article on what to do now, or recently written--anyway. Z-Big knew that a prolonged effort in Afghanistan by the Soviets would ultimately be their undoing--yet in today's world it's ( full steam ahead ) for the US and it's allies---have to ask--what changed his mind? lol

How to Leave Afghanistan Without Losing

This article is written by Selig S Harrison---not many people know of him so as soon as he started making waves in the region--the CIA disinfo hit squads and the psyop teams were quickly on scene---How do they attempt to tar the guy---simple--suggest him to their 9-11 disinfo sites---suggest he may know something about CIA involvement, INTELLIGENCE INVOLVEMENT---Not long after the confusion and distraction send those who are interested in what's really going on packing. It's effective because most people lack the skill set to decipher and quickly lose patience.

anyway.
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As prospects for an early U.S.-NATO military victory in Afghanistan fade and pressures for the withdrawal of U.S. combat forces grow, the debate over U.S. policy in Afghanistan focuses increasingly on one key issue: Is it possible to negotiate terms for disengagement that would not constitute a strategic defeat?

Advocates of staying the course equate any conceivable disengagement scenario with surrender to the Taliban. But elementary geopolitical arithmetic suggests an exit strategy that would contain Taliban influence after U.S. combat forces depart. Six of the seven neighboring regional powers with a stake in Afghanistan's future -- Russia, Iran, India, China, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan -- share the U.S. goal of preventing the return of a Taliban dictatorship in Kabul. Only one, Pakistan, which helped install and sustain the Taliban regime that ruled from 1996 to 2001, wants to see it back in power.

Here is a very key paragraph in the article:

These people have no problem playing the average citizen like a harp--

The math is so obvious that "regional diplomacy" has become a fashionable buzzword in Afghanistan discussions. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton proposed a regional conference in March 2009 that would have included Iran, and Henry Kissinger has called for a diplomatic push to mobilize the support of neighboring states, which he said will be threatened "more than we are by the emergence of a base for international terrorism" in Afghanistan.

If they were not seriously considering an exit strategy then this piece would never have been published--jmho.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... out_losing

Now how would you try to smear the guy:: Well get out your blow hard bullhorn blowing asset--and just start blasting! Laugh Laugh Insane.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/cia_tandem_ ... liban.html

Jone is soooooooooooo obvious--pretty sad that they syndicated the guy---a guy who claims ( without shame ) that he predicted 9-11 months before it happened---a guy who ( I think I remember ) said he had never talked with Bill Cooper a few months before Cooper was killed.

Anyway--it is what it is----So you can tell me---what's an upstanding academic doing in a place like conspiracy nut central?

Or here--a shadow >>

http://visibility911.com/jongold/?p=368

By now all of this kind of stuff should be crystal clear to anyone interested in reality.

Just my 2-cents.

Cole

February 25, 2011
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Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

So your intelligence didn't create the Taliban. They supplied them.

And of course there is an exit strategy that is considered, all manor of contingency plans are devised and considered, this is par for the course.

This pattern is present in all manor of military operations. From an entire war to something the size of the Iranian embassy siege. Take the siege for instance, the SAS had an Immediate Action Plan and a Deliberate Action Plan, both of which constantly changed as their information changed to fit as perfectly as possible around the "what if's".

What I took that quote to mean is that there are surrounding countries that don't want the Taliban in power, but one (The only one capable of doing anything to begin with) doesn't. I don't understand what relevance that has on anything. Just because neighbours don't want something doesn't mean that they are going to stop it. There is no specific mechanism proposed to deal with the Taliban, he's just saying that they aren't wanted. Well that's all fine and dandy, the school yard bully isn't wanted either though!

Alex Jones is full of shit. He doesn't need the CIA to discredit him.

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

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