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Will USA recognize Native American Passports Sovereignty
July 14, 2010
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The Iroqouis Nation's Lacrosse team is stuck in New York trying to get to a match because the USA is denying them cross border access. The passport issue is also causing problems in Canada as well after a Native American passports were declined to return after attending a climate conference in South America recently. The USA & Canada currently do not recognize and voted against the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/u...../drip.html
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2010/07/s ... ndian.html

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CNN carries story
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/201 ... =allsearch

Note IMO they should not need the insult of US Passport since the USA supposedly recognizes Native American sovereignty even though some States think they can get away with taxing Native American reservation products & profits.

July 15, 2010
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Update now that the US allowed the passports the UK won't. However disappointing this may be for the team, it looks to me at least that the UK was acting in Iroqouis nations best interests, because what the UK is turning down is one time state department waiver, in other words the UK is trying to get permemnant recognition of the Native American passports, atleast I'm hoping thats what is up.
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2010/07/a ... allow.html

July 15, 2010
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Native American Passports.

Who thought that up.

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July 16, 2010
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I guess in Australia the Aborignes aren't sovereign nations.

July 16, 2010
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Alas my hopes are dashed, the UK Gov. is of the opinion that the Iroqouis team must accept US or Canadian passports instead of their own national passports. Obviously the team isn't going to make it.
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2010/07/d ... as-to.html

The USA's stated problem is that the native passports don't meet current standards (probably meaning post 9-11-2001 standards with all the different biometric and security stuff in them). If this is the actual problem than the USA (and the rest of the "New World"/Great Turtle Island nations) should work with all the Native nations to bring all the passports up to date. However, it is more than likely IMHO that the US position is likely rooted in its endemic bureaucratic refusal to allow Native Americans first class rights and treatment as nations and individuals, and thusly it is an issue of maintaining control and oppression.

July 18, 2010
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"Aquatank" wrote: I guess in Australia the Aborignes aren't sovereign nations.

As it happens ......... YES !!!

There are several hundred, IN FACT.

Once again, You have shown your ignorance of the outside world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.....ional_Park

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The Anangu Pitjantjatjara tribe.

The Arrernte people.

The people & tribes of the .......

Anangu Luritja
Warlpiri
Ngunnawal people
The Eora people
Kamilaroi
The Tharawal
Wiradjuri,
The Gunivugi people
The Murrinh-Patha
Luritja
Pitjantjatjara
The Yolngu
The Dieri
The Kaurna
The Maralinga Tjarutja

To name but a few ......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal ... s_Act_1976

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uluru

Uluru handover 20 years celebrated
PM - Wednesday, 26 October , 2005 18:52:00
Reporter: Sara Everingham

MARK COLVIN: Back in 1985 many Australians still knew it as Ayer's Rock, but 20 years ago today the Hawke Government shocked the Northern Territory Government by handing Uluru over to Aboriginal ownership.

As the sun rose over Uluru this morning, Aboriginal people gathered with Territory and Federal Government officials to mark the 20th anniversary.

Sara Everingham was there.

(sound of people singing traditional Aboriginal song)

SARA EVERINGHAM: It was here at Uluru on the 26th of October in 1985 that hundreds of people gathered to celebrate the handback.

SIR NINIAN STEPHEN (archived): Today we stand not merely in the centre of our continent but at its very heart. We stand beside what has become one of our national symbols, what original Australians know as Uluru, and what the rest of it think of as Ayres Rock.

SARA EVERINGHAM: The then Governor General, Sir Ninian Stephen, handed freehold title of the Uluru Kata Tjuta National Park over to the Anangu Traditional Owners, who then leased the park back to the Commonwealth for 99 years.

But the handover was not a smooth process.

It outraged the Northern Territory Government, which wanted Ayres Rock to be kept for all Australians.

YAMI LESTER (archived): I welcome the Governor General this afternoon. He's able to come here today to see the rock. By tomorrow the rock will be missing, the Aboriginal people going to take it away.

SARA EVERINGHAM: Yami Lester was one Indigenous campaigner involved in the 10-year fight for land rights at Uluru.

He was at the ceremony this morning.

YAMI LESTER: There was a lot of concern and worries on both sides. The Aboriginal people would worry and worry for the white people too, didn't know what we're going to do in the park.

PHILIP TOYNE: It was opposed at every turn…

SARAH EVERINGHAM: Philip Toyne was the lawyer who negotiated the handback with the Commonwealth Government.

PHILIP TOYNE: … by the northern Territory Government of the day, by the tourist industry, by people who felt extremely threatened by Aboriginal people owning one of Australia's great icons.

MARK COLVIN: Phil Toyne, the lawyer who negotiated the Uluru handback, ending Sara Everingham's report.

'First Americans were Australian'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci.....430944.stm

July 18, 2010
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"rath" wrote: Native American Passports.

Who thought that up.

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My thought was .......

Why would the American Indians want Native American Passports.

If each U.S tribe becomes a Sovereign micronation's with a passport of their own ..........

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Does this mean that the American indians will never be able to leave their country / indian reservation, ❓ ❓ ❓

Unless they have applied for a visa to enter the USA.

Are we going to see U.S immigration agents, posted at the gate of every indian reservation.

What about Taxes, ......

Sure you dont need to pay taxes to the federal government anymore ........

But what about, import & export taxes' every time a person needs something (milk) from the shop.

What about a military ........ Every nation needs a millitary.

Maybe you should just ask this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....Hutt_River

I could take this guys kindom by myself. ....... ( Mad Max style )

& Declare myself king.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....7gYLdIOUAw

July 18, 2010
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Rath
Ah now I see you misinterperted my generalization. By Native American passports I meant each particular nations passport, and thusly an acceptence of the entire group of nations.

As for my quip, it was sarcasm because I in turn misinterperted your misinterpertation, meaning I was a bit put off at the idea of not respecting sovereignty.

However that still leaves us with both our national governments often interfering with our indigenous peoples sovereignty and rights. Probably soon to be at odds over right to water I'm sure. (I'm refering to this blowing intothe mix eventually: http://www.commondreams.org/he.....10/07/16-7 )

July 19, 2010
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"Aquatank" wrote: Rath
Ah now I see you misinterperted my generalization. By Native American passports I meant each particular nations passport, and thusly an acceptence of the entire group of nations.

As for my quip, it was sarcasm because I in turn misinterperted your misinterpertation, meaning I was a bit put off at the idea of not respecting sovereignty.

However that still leaves us with both our national governments often interfering with our indigenous peoples sovereignty and rights. Probably soon to be at odds over right to water I'm sure. (I'm refering to this blowing intothe mix eventually: http://www.commondreams.org/he.....10/07/16-7 )

Ah now I see you misinterperted my generalization. By Native American passports I meant each particular nations passport, and thusly an acceptence of the entire group of nations.

I still do get what your saying ....

so each Native American nation will have their own passports ... or just a different passport from the entire Native American poulation compaired to the rest of the people of the USA ....

Sorta like Germmany did in world war 2 with the Jews.

Probably soon to be at odds over right to water I'm sure.

30th July 2008

A significant Aboriginal rights case has been handed down in the High Court today giving traditional Aboriginal owners in the Northern Territory control of much of the region's coastline and rivers.

The Blue Mud Bay case is to water rights what Mabo was to land rights.

Today the High Court ruled that traditional Aboriginal owners have control of waters between the high and low tide mark at Blue Mud Bay.

The decision affects more than 80 per cent of coastal waters in the Territory and gives traditional owners the power to exclude fishermen from the area.

After hearing the High Court's decision the Northern Land Council, which represents traditional owners, said it had developed a constructive relationship with fishing representatives over the past year and looks forward to securing a win-win outcome for all Territorians.

July 22, 2010
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The following article makes a point, if the Europeans don't have to super tech passports why should the be forced on any of the Native American tribes.
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2010/07/l ... about.html

Personally I think the UK should reconsider their position, historically prior to and through the American Revolution the Iroqouis Confederacy was a British ally. The British need to reconsider their position today in light of the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and international law.

To further complicate the matter the USA needs to recognize the inherent right of the O'odham to travel in their land from time immemorial which stradles both the US Mexico Border without passports or checkpoints.
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2010/07/l ... -hate.html

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