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December 2, 2010
7:54 am
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http://www.reuters.com/article.....7120101202

I am torn over this..freedom of information vs. espianage (which this almost feels like)
I mean, this leak could ruin and maybe end lives. heck, it could cause wars.
it's so weird..
Considering this is The Black Vault..built on public access to government info and such...similar
Thoughts?

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

December 2, 2010
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Yes I'll give my opinion Bionic, for which people like Aquarian, Rath, and Ninor seem to be ignorant of what the law is, not to mention what is right and wrong.

There is a monumental difference between the Espionage Act and the Freedom of Information Act. One is a crime and one is our legal right. The Espionage Act defines espionage as a major federal crime, and the act of stealing secret military documents which was done by the PFC is espionage. The act of conspiring to aid and abet in that crime, is also espionage and the planning to steal these documents with others, pass them for seversive reasons is the crime of Conspiracy. You can not declare your actions legal, posing as a journalist, who knowingly recieved stolen files, conspired to have them stolen, and futher defy a government who has told you that will result in possibe deaths. Wikileaks has known and has been warned of the dangers of posting these documents. This PFC who copied and stole these documents is a traitor. He didn't just by chance happen upon some honest journalist from Austrailia, wanting to do good for the world. They conspired with eath other in advance, and that is why the PFC stole them. It is not just the United States he has opened up secrets about, it has opened up secrets about many countries, including information that will heighten tentions between China and North Korea, and Saudi Arabia and Iran. Anyone that sees this idiot as some sort of hero is wrong, and those that are strongly in favor of him, are the most outspoken anti-americans on the board. The 3 people I have mentioned, one is American.

This site was built legally using the Freedom of Information Act, to request specific information of many many differnet departments and agencies of our Government. Every single document on this site you can read, also has the letters of requests, the appeals, and most important the releases given by the goverment, granting legal permission for John to post them. EVERY SINGLE DOCUMENT HAS BEEN CLEARED AND APPROVED TOTALLY, AND JOHN HAS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, IN FILING CABINETS. OVER 600,000 OF THEM.

Nothing on this site was stolen or hacked out of computers of the Government, everything was obtained using the FOIA, and many things here took as long a 3-4 years to recieve. All through legal channels. It has taken tenacity and perseverance from John, not a PFC who hacked them out of a government computer illegally.

December 2, 2010
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There's more to this than meets the eye. Further THEY don't know who actually leaked the documents, it could have been one of any of the thousands of people who had clearance. The wiki site is a whistle blower site, he didn't hack or steal anything, people sent him the material in question.

Instead of going after the founder of the site, how about tracking down the leak or the leakers? Is it because of the whistle blower laws? Not sure---but my stance is that this is a ruse of sorts.

Yesterday Bolton said that one of the cables he read on the site was fake, in other words it wasn't an official Department document---he should know he claims to have read nearly a million in his lifetime.

As for right vs wrong--- I'm glad to see a little egg on the faces of these clowns in question, it's why my stomach turns when I hear that ridiculous chant of USA USA USA. If only more people knew how this Government really works, things would be better for most people in general.

I still say that all of this is a convenient distraction for something not yet reported, or not yet set in place. It will get spun though, just like the North Korea thing---or the Portland FBI thing--or all of the other bogus ops run on the American psyche. If these leaks put a dent in that activity then I'm all for it--but something tells me that it's just another Dawg and Pony show. JMHO.

Cole

December 2, 2010
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I see not difference between this PFC and Assange/wikileaks conspiring to take secret government files, and print them for the world to see, and cases of engineers stealing blueprints and top secret plans for military weapons and sell them to China, North Korea, or Russia. It is spying, it is Epionage, it is conspiracy. It is not journalism, it is not freedom of the press, it is not the act of an honorable person. It is no differnt from you or anyone knowingly recieving stolen goods, and using them as if you were not a party to the crime. The getaway driving is just as guilty of murder if the robbers shoot a teller, they are all co-conspiritors.

The one question I will agree with, is how and why does someone the rank of PFC, have any access to any files? How could he possibly have gotten or stolen passwords, which in the Pentagon should be a "can't fail" system. That is a big big issue, I agree. The avenue between the players in the Pentagon and the Pentagons system of computer access, to Wikileaks and Assange needs to be uncovered. It in no way excuses Assange, who is not a journalist for any recognized journalistic organization by any means. If he is a legitimate journalist, why is he hiding? He is a fugitive for this and a fugitive for suspected rape in Sweden.

December 2, 2010
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The one question I will agree with, is how and why does someone the rank of PFC, have any access to any files? How could he possibly have gotten or stolen passwords, which in the Pentagon should be a "can't fail" system. That is a big big issue, I agree. The avenue between the players in the Pentagon and the Pentagons system of computer access, to Wikileaks and Assange needs to be uncovered. It in no way excuses Assange, who is not a journalist for any recognized journalistic organization by any means. If he is a legitimate journalist, why is he hiding? He is a fugitive for this and a fugitive for suspected rape in Sweden.

Well for one the system used by the Pentagon is different than the normal everyday web, there was a report on it one day this past week. Another thing that is now being kicked about by some smart people in the journalism business is that this is an op being run by the Pentagon themselves, they want this stuff out their as a means of embarrassing the State Dept---One Target was H. Clinton---most all of the stuff is declassified material---Robert ex CIA Gates--said so himself--he called it virtually harmless.

So I contend as I said earlier, there's more to this than the leaks themselves, how they were carried out isn't the real issue. The real issue is by whom, and of course, who allowed it to happen and why.

I'm going to assume that there is some infighting between the CIA and the Pentagon, or CIA/Pentagon and the State Dept. I also think that it's very likely that the Wikileaks thing is a distraction used to hide something else that is going on or about to go on.

Maybe something with the International banking system and a few trillion dollars debt, that may trump these leaks and end up making them look like child's play. Could be some other political event, or some other event, say in Yemen for example.

Anyway I've a weird feeling about it all---just too easy for it not to have been planned all along.

Cole

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