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What was Gabrielle Giffords' stance on abortion?
January 15, 2011
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As far as I can see, Loughner only stood for one belief with a history of insciting terrorism against non combatants.

He believed he had the right to redefine abortion as terrorism against babies.

I don't know much about Gabrielle Giffords, has she made a stand for pro choice?

Needless to say, cowardly people in politics and the media would preffer to blame soft targets such as conspiricists, dope heads, and the mentaly unbalanced, rather than pro life fanatics.

January 15, 2011
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What?

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January 16, 2011
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"_Billy_" wrote: What?

Jared Lee Loughner was outspokenly anti abortion, and he re named his school as a 'genocide school' after he was kicked out of poetry class for having an outburst on the matter.

Gabrielle Giffords was a pro choice candidate who was given an 100% approval rating by NARAL -Pro Choice

Here's a paste from Wikipedia about anti-abortion terrorism (it raises the question of why the shooting was blamed on conspiricists and head cases.)

United StatesThe majority of anti-abortion violence has been committed in the United States of America.[citation needed]

[edit] MurdersIn the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[6][7]

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[8]
[edit] Attempted murder, assault, and kidnappingAccording to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[9] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[6][10][11]

August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[12]
January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.
[edit] Arson, bombing, and property crimeAccording to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[9] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[13] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[14] Incidents have included:

December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[15][16][17]
May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[18]
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[19]
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire resulted in several thousand dollars' worth of damage. The case remains unsolved.[20][21][22] This was the second arson at the clinic.[23]
September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[24]
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.[19]
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[19]
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.[25]
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[26]
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[27]
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[28]
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[29]
January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness [30] rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[31]
[edit] Anthrax threatsThe first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[10][32]

November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December 3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.
[edit] Outside the United StatesOutside of the United States, known incidents of anti-abortion violence were committed in Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

[edit] AustraliaJuly 16, 2001: Steven Rogers, a security guard at a clinic in Melbourne, Australia was shot in the chest and killed by Peter James Knight. Knight was charged and was sentenced to life in prison on November 19, 2002.[33]
January 6, 2009: A firebombing using Molotov cocktails was attempted at a medical clinic in Mosman Park, Western Australia. Faulty construction of the bombs limited damage to a single external burnt area, though if successful damage would have been severe. It is believed that the inviduals who made the attack were responsible for graffiti "baby killers" on the site, indicating a pro-life reason for the attack. The site turned out to in fact not be an abortion clinic, though the attackers most likely were not aware of this.[34]
[edit] Canada[edit] Attempted murderViolence has also occurred in Canada, where three doctors have been attacked to date. There is speculation that the timing of the shootings is related to the Canadian observance of Remembrance Day. The physicians were part of pattern of attacks, which targeted providers in Canada and upstate New York, including Dr. Barnett Slepian. All victims were shot in their homes with a rifle, at dusk, in late October or early November. James Kopp was charged with the murder of Dr. Slepian and the attempted murder of Dr. Short; he is suspected of having committed the other shootings as well.[10][11]

November 8, 1994: Dr. Garson Romalis of Vancouver, British Columbia was shot.
November 10, 1995: Dr. Hugh Short of Ancaster, Ontario was shot.
November 11, 1997: Dr. Jack Fainman of Winnipeg, Manitoba was shot.
July 11, 2000: Dr. Romalis was stabbed by an unidentified assailant in the lobby of his clinic.[35]
[edit] Bombing and property damageFebruary 25, 1990: Two men broke into a clinic in Vancouver and destroyed $C30,000 worth of medical equipment with crowbars.[36]
May 18, 1992: A Toronto clinic operated by Henry Morgentaler was firebombed, causing the entire front wall of the building to collapse.[37]
[edit] New ZealandIn 1999 Graeme White was found guilty and jailed for tunneling into an abortion clinic in a failed attempt to blow it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

January 16, 2011
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How does that explain shooting a 9 year old girl?

January 16, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: How does that explain shooting a 9 year old girl?

I never said a nine year old girl was the primary target.

SWAT teams have to hold their own men down after they fire in case they go beserk.

Do you think Loughner would be more professional than a member of a SWAT team?

In my very humble opinion, he doesn't look centred.

January 16, 2011
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AFter the primary target, he just keep pulling the trigger, but I would think if he was defending the innocent children in his warped mind, we would spare a child.

January 16, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: AFter the primary target, he just keep pulling the trigger, but I would think if he was defending the innocent children in his warped mind, we would spare a child.

When a psycho uses a moralitic cause as an excuse for doing what psycho's do, they usualy turn out to be a hypocrite.

January 16, 2011
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DCR, I don't know what "Gabby's" views on Roe vs Wade is/are/was, but I'm inclined to believe she wasn't the main target.

Check out Judge Rolls.

From the msm reports, we're told that Giffords was the first one shot. Much of that appears to come from the same shariff that didn't provide security...

Don't forget, the little 9 year old wasn't there with her parents. And the woman who brought her is "alive".

I still want to know why this story has overshadowed Jack/John Wheeler and why Obummer wasn't there for that one? Why did he "live as Jack and die as John"?

What about the other chick who was found dead in her burning car...Huh?

I suppose, this is just one more "crisis" being used for political reasons. 🙁

And I see, brother billly has gotten interested in this story. Interesting... 😎

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

January 16, 2011
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Hi Nesai

I think an asassin would have shot the main target more than once, unless they were a 'mancurian candidate' programmed by amateurs.

I don't claim to know what went on, but the original accusations against conspiricists such as Icke are pretty lame in light of his pro life outbursts.

That would make it amateur as a false flag op as well, unless Icke etc. wasn't the main target for that.

His 'genocide school' video reminds me of organised stalkers because of his attitude to redefining concepts.

January 16, 2011
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It's Nesaie! Dagnabbit! Nobody ever gets my name right! 🙁

But, I have a lot of questions. This story is overshadowing many other stories of today, Tunisia, Wheeler, the economy, etc...

My personal opinion is that I don't think abortion is is at the front of this. I think that Judge roll was and the poor child born on 9/11/01/ was to be used for the obummer nlp....

Edited by ADMINISTRATOR - Your LAST warning.

Anyway DCR, let's bring these questions out into public. Why did some die? Why is the congresscritter still alive?

On a side note, that ukranian has said a lot. So...I get to post a lot. 😀
Just questions?

Hey billy, what are you going to do with a new saint?

I miss rstone...Besides, itsn't it past your bed time? Or, did you just wake up...?

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