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October 6, 2017
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It's fine that you only eat plants, but it's been proven that plants have feelings. What are you gonna do now? I personally harvest my own meat for the freezer. Open me up for discussion. I'll be glad to tell you why I do what I do.

"Varitas Vos Liberabit"

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October 6, 2017
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No One that want's to challange me?

"Varitas Vos Liberabit"

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October 7, 2017
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I don't know about challenge but tell us more about your opinion.

October 7, 2017
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Not sure I understand the difference between vegan and vegetarian first, I'm sure only a select few are on some sort of animal rights issue, many probably just do not prefer to eat meat or some animal products, whats wrong with that?

October 7, 2017
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Hey Chris, I'm not sure how many vegans you'll find around here.  I know I'm not.  I'm of the opinion that there is a movement to make us meat eaters into vegans.  They're basically saying, if you're a mammal, eat breathe and fart, you're the reason for global warm...oops...I mean..."climate change"...yeah, that's the ticket.  It's your fault for being human, it's the cows fault for farting.  How dare you raise cattle for meat or milk.  They're causing...what was it again?  Oh yeah, "climate change".  The public is still buying "climate change", right?  😉

I've looked into a lot of information about nutrition.  I take care of my elderly mom, so for her sake I read what I can.  It can be very confusing.  One thing for sure is that vitamin B-12 only comes from animals and animal products.  So, vegans cannot naturally get it from their diet.   Any diet that does not give necessary nutrients is a very unhealthy diet.  

I have a theory that vegans are mentally deficient.  The reason for this is the lack of B-12.  It is very important in brain function.  😀  Sure, there are supplements, but it is so much tastier to get it from bacon and eggs.

Don't get me wrong, if you want to eat nothing but veggies for a week or two to clean out your body, that is healthy.  What is wrong is veganism for longer than say a month.

Greeney, vegans don't eat anything that came from an animal.  No eggs, milk or cheese.  Regular vegetarians do include animal products, just not the meat itself.  A certain type of vegetarian will even include some fish, they're not as cute as cows or pigs.  

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

October 7, 2017
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I think I recall that about vegans and vegetarians. I think many vegans have a very thin and gaunt look to them, at least that is my impression of President Clinton now. Maybe it takes muscle mass away not sure. 

I'm too old at this point to give up all animal products 100%, if it includes ice cream I'm out for sure.  IMHO the human body has 3 consumption vises, overeating, smoking and drinking. I don't smoke and drink, so I at least don't have strike 1 and strike 2. If you listen to everyone, they tell you don't eat meat, don't eat carbs, this foods bad, next week its OK, look what they said about eggs, now they changed. They use to say certified raw milk was good, now I don't think its sold anymore. 

So many fad diets, who can count them, food labels were misleading, and those turned out to be bunk. Who do you believe? Seems like the real sensible way of eating (and who follows it) is a regimented balanced diabetics diet plan for healthy eating. 

God knows we are all fast food addicts, outside of home and inside the home. Go get it quick, or toss it into the microwave, canned soups to frozen things, full of salt, and other bad things. Americans love there junk foods.  

October 7, 2017
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Ooooh...ICE CREAM!  I just bought an ice cream maker for my mom's birthday, she loves ice cream.  I feel better about making my own because I know what I put in it.  Eggs, milk, cream, sugar, fruit, etc.  All is healthy except the sugar and I don't use that much.  At least it is the type that comes from a cane.

As far as raw milk, in WA it is legal.  I buy it.  I trust it more than pasteurized.  It has to be a cleaner operation than regular feed lots.  If the machinery gets some bacteria on it after the pasteurization process, you can get sick from it.  Pasteurized milk actually makes more people sick than raw milk.  But, because the regulations on raw milk it is very expensive.  For example, I pay $5 per 1/2 gallon of raw milk.  But, that is to pay for government intervention like monthly inspections and such.  It also pays for the land that the cows graze on and the property taxes the farmers have to pay for.  My co-op also just started carrying raw cream...YUM!

A friend of mine has a simple idea of food, "if my grandma ate it, I'll eat it".  

For me, I don't do fast food restaurants very often.  Maybe, once a month I'll get a Papa Murphy's pizza, that is about it.  I don't use a microwave any more.  I have one, but not in my kitchen.  I haven't used it for years.  I do have the luxury of time though.  I'll spend a few hours a week cooking things for the week.  Most is from scratch.  For example, a typical breakfast is a casserole with veggies, eggs and some meat.  I'm not a morning person, my mom is.  I'll make two or three of these ahead of time.  In the morning, I pop one in the oven and that's breakfast.  Or, sometimes my mom gets there first and just eats it cold.  

I do something I call "freezer soup".  When ever I have left overs that aren't enough for another meal, I throw it in a container in the freezer.   When the container is full, I mix in some homemade soup stock and make a soup out of it.  It sounds really gross, but it always turns out good.  In fact, I made that for lunch today.

Cooking at home saves money and allows me to get the more expensive foods like "organic", "grass fed", "pasture raised" and so on foods.  I'm not a gourmet, but the meals are nutritious.

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October 7, 2017
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Oh, vegetarians can have ice cream.  Vegans have to have almond milk or coconut milk ice cream.

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October 9, 2017
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I looked up the certified raw milk, I was wrong they still make it and sell it in California. It got real popular when the so called "health food" places were a big thing. I remember Altadena was a big seller. There are very strict laws however related to it, I think it said their were only about 5 companies in California doing it.  

Not long ago was trying to find out about raw eggs in a Cesar salad, if it was legal or if any places even use raw eggs at all in them. I remember the days when they would make it at your table and break an egg in it. I could not find out if places like chain restaurants do add the egg, but did not know about how they pasteurize eggs til I looked it up.  

My wife loves that Almond milk, I have never tasted it, for some reason it just sounds terrible to me, for no other reason than thinking how can some that isn't milk taste good. and I love almonds. Funny how people can get an aversion to some things. I'm the same way with egg nog, it just sounds terrible to me. Maybe I'll taste them someday.  

Getting back to vegans and vegetarians, I wouldn't mind at all going to a vegan restaurant, I'm sure they have some really good dishes.  I'm in no way against it. 

October 11, 2017
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I thought California was a state where raw milk was legal.  But, I believe it is illegal to take it across state lines.  Here we have three different brands all farmed locally in this county.

I don't believe restaurants are permitted to use raw eggs any more.  You'd have to make the dressing yourself at home.

I've read that store bought almond milk is full of additives that aren't good for you.  Almonds themselves are good for you.  It's better if you make the almond milk at home.  It's super simple.  Here is a recipe: https://minimalistbaker.com/how-to-make-almond-milk/

There is nothing wrong with going meatless once in a while or temporarily.  So long as you don't substitute soy for everything.  Soy isn't good for us and most of it is genetically modified.  For a long term diet, it isn't healthy for us.

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