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US Lawmakers Want to Criminalize Whistleblower Sites
August 3, 2010
11:51 am
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First in America then the rest of the world I fear....

US Lawmakers Want to Criminalize Whistleblower Sites Over TSA Leak

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_L.....r_TSA_Leak

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August 3, 2010
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Ugh.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

August 3, 2010
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When it comes to stealing classified docments, and printing them for the world to see, that isn't wistleblowing, it is criminal.

August 4, 2010
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So, it's cool for taxpayers to pay for crap like MKULTRA and not learn anything about it?

Greeney, I fully disagree.

With regards to the recent wikileaks, there wasn't any new information that was "leaked". People who don't rely on the msm already knew all that stuff. This is just being used as an excuse to attempt to take away our God given right of free speech. The "government" doesn't have permission to do that.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

August 4, 2010
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That may be a common line of boloney in the anti war group, but the fact remains, the Documents were classified and they were stolen or transfered by the PFC being held. They were not cleared and you do not know what bits of information they contained, no matter how trivial to you, may be a major thing for the Taliban to know. That infornation is for the Military to control. THe PFC didn't act alone, he sent them to someone, and that someone recieved them, and posted them on the internet. In my book, that is criminal conspiracy, and he is just as guilty. I do not think you would find a commander anyplace, or even someone down to a Private that would not be real concerned, sensitive information was passed, that could alter what the enemy may do or try. You don't play a game of Poker and let the others see a single one of your cards, even if its only a Duece.

The Blackvault posts documents that have been released by the government and deemed Unclassified. Not only does John have the origionals of everything he obtained in filing cabinets he has every single one of the letters of request, and the permission to use every single one to use them.

August 4, 2010
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"Nesaie" wrote: So, it's cool for taxpayers to pay for crap like MKULTRA and not learn anything about it?

Greeney, I fully disagree.

With regards to the recent wikileaks, there wasn't any new information that was "leaked". People who don't rely on the msm already knew all that stuff. This is just being used as an excuse to attempt to take away our God given right of free speech. The "government" doesn't have permission to do that.

Surely you jest Nesaie! 😮

What kind of non-military network do you have to be plugged into to have access to 90,000 pages of CLASSIFIED documents? Better yet; IM that back, away from prying eyes. 😉

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison

August 4, 2010
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"gudskepteacal" wrote:

Surely you jest Nesaie! 😮

What kind of non-military network do you have to be plugged into to have access to 90,000 pages of CLASSIFIED documents? Better yet; IM that back, away from prying eyes. 😉

But... I wanna be in on the loop too!!! D=

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

War = Life

August 4, 2010
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Whistleblowing websites are protected under the US's Constitution but the whistle blowers are not if they have done something illegal...speaking of Illegal can someone point out in the US Constitution where all of the Alphabet Agencies have any legal jurisdiction please.

I have read it and can't find it anywhere at all.

Well pickle me grandmother. Laugh Laugh

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August 4, 2010
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Gentlemen, Laugh Laugh Laugh

Joker, you know darn well that those alphabet agencies, of which you speak, didn't get created until after a great crisis, called war. The first test came after WWI, the second, along with the creation of a terrorist state named israel, came after WWII.

After all, as the son of a terrorist said, "never let a good crisis go to waste", or something to that effect.

To answer your question, no, the federal government does NOT have permission to do what it does in the name of "national security".

My God, they can't even secure our borders and they claim that children who were abused by the CIA aren't allowed to know which institutions abused them, because of national security??? We should all be aware of that lawsuit. I read much of it. But, I don't feel safer knowing that the feds won't allow abused Americans to know who their abusers were.

I LOVE my Country, I fear my government!

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August 4, 2010
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Don't you know the U.S. is the most free country in the world...*

*with over 1,000 stipulations, including, but not limited to your status being the main determinating factor in deciding what you are privvy to

The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.
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