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Triangle UFO hovering above Kremlin
December 18, 2009
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Russian internet sensation: Giant triangular 'UFO' filmed hovering above Kremlin

By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 11:08 AM on 18th December 2009
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Hovering ominously over the city, this video of what appears to be a triangle-shaped UFO has left Russians baffled. Sitting motionless in the sky above the Kremlin in Moscow, clips of the unexplained object have become the most-viewed videos on Russia's YouTube.

The two videos, one taken at night from a car and one during the day, were both filmed by amateurs. The UFO hovered for hours over Red Square in the Russian capital and was seen by hundreds of people. The identity of the shape has not been confirmed but internet forums are buzzing with the sighting.

The UFO appeared on December 9th, the same night that a mysterious blue spiral light appeared over Norway. That was later attributed to a failed rocket launch from Russia. Some have likened the object to one of the spaceships from Star Wars. But others have said it is merely a reflection from inside the cameraman's car. If the object exists experts estimate that it could be up to a mile wide.

Some commentators have reacted sceptically to the videos and have pointed out that if hundreds of people had seen the object more videos and photos would have emerged by now. Russian reports ruled out a UFO but police have refused to comment. Nick Pope, a former Ministry of Defence UFO analyst, said it was 'one of the most extraordinary UFO clips I've ever seen'. 'At first I thought this was a reflection but it appears to move behind a power line, ruling out this theory.'

A spokesman for aerospace journal Jane's News said: 'We have no idea what it is.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0a3lJO5Qw

December 18, 2009
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My guess is balloon or reflection.

The Norway spiral should teach us that when a "real" phenomena exists, dozens and dozens of very high quality photos and videos emerge, not one blurry shot like this.

I dunno where the got the "1 mile wide" data from.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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December 19, 2009
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This is the equivelent of Perry's Black Fleet in Tokyo Harbor in 1852, you have to wonder what political arm twisting the USA is trying to force on Russia with this strategy.

December 19, 2009
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Tokugawa was asking for it, he didn't want to trade with anyone but the Dutch, and made them do it on a dinky artificial island to boot. 😮

Heaven forbid we would have to get all our Oriental goods from the Brits, whom we'd just trounced for the second time 40 years prior... never mind that the Brits were employing some of the fastest, most graceful schooners ever built (imho). So the consensus at the time was to establish our own Oriental trading and eliminate costly and irritating British and Dutch middlemen, replacing them with costly and irritating United States middlemen. 🙄

Anyway, the only real harm done was to Japanese pride, which was technically their own fault for deliberately isolating themselves, thereby cutting off access to more modern technology, such as cannon shot that actually explodes, and ships that belched noxious smoke and fumes but could travel against the wind without oars. 😎

As for the triangle UFO, the second still shot on The Daily Mail's page looks suspiciously like a reflected dashboard. The first still shows a more clearly defined triangle, but both photos suck.

December 20, 2009
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WWII was a direct result of Perry, because it made the Japanese think they actually needed modern technology. It was a snow ball effect started by capitalism and resulted in far too many deaths. The problem with isolationist Japan was only partly trade, a large factor was shipwrecked sailors (mostly whalers), outsiders faced execution if they were shipwrecked on Japanese shores.

Yet it still brings us back to the question why the US is strongarming Russia with a ZRCV so blatantly, was it the Coppenhagen conference or a show of force to tell Russia to back off when we attack Iran? That is if its not a mistaken identity or hoax.

December 20, 2009
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"Aquatank" wrote: WWII was a direct result of Perry, because it made the Japanese think they actually needed modern technology.

Bit of a stretch there. You could also suggest that our existence precipitated every war we've been involved in, and it would be equally true. The Japanese are responsible for what they did with the technology they gained.

"Aquatank" wrote: It was a snow ball effect started by capitalism and resulted in far too many deaths. The problem with isolationist Japan was only partly trade, a large factor was shipwrecked sailors (mostly whalers), outsiders faced execution if they were shipwrecked on Japanese shores.

Or to put it another way, Tokugawa and his armies of Samurai were power-mad bloodthirsty savages that had enslaved their own people while masquerading as nobility and putting on airs of honor and tradition, in spite of which they possessed desirable trade goods. Please note I have nothing against Japan or its people; I refer strictly to the concept of Shogun, the Samurai Code, and those who employed the Katana as a means of oppression.

"Aquatank" wrote: Yet it still brings us back to the question why the US is strongarming Russia with a ZRCV so blatantly, was it the Copenhagen conference or a show of force to tell Russia to back off when we attack Iran? That is if its not a mistaken identity or hoax.

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The original US concept of a ZRCV. The 'flying flat-top' wasn't our idea; the only one I've ever seen had Angelina Jolie on deck ( 😎 ). As for the 'black triangle': For the moment, we'll go with hoax and/or mistaken identity.

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December 21, 2009
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We built one the USS AKRON.

On the old Board I brought up the hypothesis that these big black triangles are the newest US built ZRCVs.

within these dimensions
LENGTH (m): 300m
WIDTH (m): 335.41m
HEIGHT (m): 50m

An airship could hold atleast 562499.34 m3 of helium with the rest of the space used for structure and equipment.

One of the reports I found in relation to these ship (a 2000 report) had a helicopter coming off the top with an American Crew in San Francisco Bay near Farlon Island.
http://www.rense.com/politics6/shoot.htm

My estimates would allow 3 Helicopters, Various Missiles both Conventional & Nuclear and between 2604 to 13020 troops depending on mission profile. These things are like flying visual stealth frigates. There could be variants that are pure missile wagons, cargo transports, or carriers for UCAVs. These are very dangerous weapons platforms.
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As for Japan, Industrializing required Coal & Oil and there wasn't enough to meet catch up defense demands, so invaded the main to secure those resources. Perry's gunboat diplomacy was the impetus to play catchup. If they were left alone to their extreme isolationism and technological stagnation Japan would never had been a threat. As I was saying placing such a dangerous ship over another country's city is that kind of gunboat diplomacy.

December 21, 2009
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AT: I'm familiar with the USS Akron, and the fact it and its sister ships were abandoned as a technology after some fatal crashes. The dirigible in the painting was closely akin to them.

About the fisherman's tale you linked: the man was, after all, a fisherman.

I recall catching a beautiful 23-pound smallmouth bass in an Eastern Kentucky stream that put up a really big fight. I was fishing him out of a snag at the base of an oak tree on the south bank. As I was reeling him in, he got caught on something. I pulled really hard on the line and up he came, so fast he flew over a low branch and wrapped the line around it. I had to cut the line and let him go, never saw him again.

The hook is baited, let's see if anyone bites.

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