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Tragedy @ Indy
August 30, 2010
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NDIANAPOLIS (AP)—The death of a 13-year-old motorcycle rider at Indianapolis Motor Speedway cast a shadow over Sunday’s races at the historic track and prompted mourning competitors to defend the development system for the dangerous circuit.

Peter Lenz fell off his bike during the warmup lap for the day’s first race at Indianapolis and was run over by another motorcycle, driven by a 12-year-old. Medical workers immediately placed Lenz in a neck brace, put him on a stretcher and began chest compressions while taking him to a hospital.

Several hours later, he was pronounced dead.

Only 13. Very very slick track, it hasn't rained in weeks and it's been extremely hot this summer. Must have been like ICE in spots.

Terrible accident.

Reigning world champ Valentino Rossi fell four times, including a spill Sunday morning during a 20-minute warmup session. Sunday’s Moto2 race was shortened after a big wreck on the first lap took out four drivers.

After a brief delay to clear the track, the USGPRU race was restarted. Had they known the severity of the injuries, one official said they would have considered canceling the race. The three other races all started on time, though Lenz was never far from the racers’ thoughts.

“This is an ugly, terrible part of this sport,” USGPRU chief steward Stewart Aitken-Cade said. “You do what you can to stop it from happening as best you can. That’s really all that you can do.”

“Any time a racer is injured in this way and loses his life, it’s tough, adult or child,” Aitken-Cade added. “It just makes it especially difficult when it’s a young guy like Peter.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=A ... isgp-crash

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August 30, 2010
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I followed this story and made several comments and responses on the yahoo comment to the subject. I found on this one, just like the miner story, and the 8 killed in off road race, the same kind of comments. Sick jokes, opinionated and heated responses, and the venom that comes from people is really sickening. I raised a lot of points about the fact Indy is not a motorcycle track by design, and does not have the safety bike riders should have. Most roadracing M/C tracks have uphills and downhills, banked turns or cambered for cornering, and have infields and outfields to get off in, if you go off track. Most M/C tracks use haybales placed if there are hard places to hit, when they use cordoned off streets.

In car racing, Indy is the challenge of challenges, and only for the highest world class drivers. Cars are made only for Indy, and Indy is unique. It is a flat oval track, that only turns in one direction, and only has a wall to hit 360 degrees around the course. It is not designed for motorcycles, period! If it were, ONLY the world best and moat elite should be able to compete at Indy, with expertise the level of European Gran Prixs, or the Isle of Man. Novice level (even know this boy was an expert class) racing, is in a much lower technical expertise. At Indy, cars qualify for a month, and somethings some of the greatest names in racing do not qualify. The cars take the preceeding year to build, only for Indy. Tires and compounds for the cars, cost enormous amounts of money and change according to temp and humidity. Its a very very high tech part of Indy cars, that I do not think are available at those levels for the bikes. Indy cars use 4 different sized tires, and the cars are designed for the all left turn course. These bike riders are basically using the same bikes they would ride in other normal roadracing courses, like the California Sonomo course.

This was a tradgedy, and many things went into why he crashed. Indy is not like other racetracks. Indy is not for anyone that is not the highest world class caliber. The slightest mistake and Indy is a big mistake. This boy was an expert classified in USA circuits, but not an expert interms of world class International Motorcycle races. The European levels of these kind of races, is far above the kind of racing this boy was used to racing IHMO. Indy is the kind of place, that even the legends of racing, are not good enough sometimes to qualify. The level of expertise of riders and vehicles, is that of the highest caliber. It is no place for 13 year old boys, even if they are classified as expert in lower division racing.

August 30, 2010
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Well I'm torn over this one, if it were my child, well I just can't imagine that at this point and time. However I know a little about Indy and that Track---personally I think they ruined it when they did the remodel resurface a few years back. JMHO

We had a Dealer Group Meeting up there back in 84---The debut of the Pontiac Grand Am--- I didn't want to go but unfortunately drew the short straw. As it turned out we actually got to take the cars out on the track LOL--4 BANGERS--100 MPH was stretching it--- I did a couple of laps and due to the size of the place it felt like you were crawling.

Since I was in charge of ordering/inventory I knew the reps really well and asked one of the wigs from Detroit if I could take the H.O- TA for a couple of laps around the Track to wind it out a bit. Had to get clearance from the Track Official---yes they have an official for non racing Track events-- waiver signed---helmet ( an absolute must ) and away we went---Yes I made the guy go with me--LOL---Asked how proud he was of his Trans Am and he asked why! Laugh I said because I'm going to try to throw a rod---how often does anyone get a chance to go around this track with their foot to the floor.

At all she could even think about doing it still felt like you were crawling, or on a Sunday drive in the country--just no way to describe how big that place really is-- 130-135 MPH was all she had and that really really heated up the right side tires- you just can't imagine.

A couple more laps would have blown em, easily. I just can't imagine going into those turns at 220 knowing you can't lift without causing one hellava wreck. And I can still drive anything on four wheels as well as anyone--those Stock cars--lol women drive em--THEY are glorified taxi cabs AND--This child was on a crotch rocket~~

I can't imagine a 13 year old on a Bike that can go from 0-100 MPH in 6 seconds ON A SLICK ASS road course---NO MATTER what skill level--

I'd take any stock car around Indy--but I wouldn't attempt it in an open wheel or a Bike--just not near skilled enough--and I can ride or drive about anything.

Just a really bad accident and loss of a young life.

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The image above is for sale--$3,500 bucks~~ Didn't cost that brad new! LOL

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Not a photo of my actual old 1100 e but reasonably close---how I miss that bike!
140 MPH and she never labored a bit! Unreal!! Yes I'm very lucky to be alive

August 31, 2010
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Thats another good point that the size of the track you loose perception of speed, and like you can see, nothing to hit but a wall. It is just not a track designed for motorcycles, and if it was allowed, definately not for less than world class riders. This was a big mistake by Indy. Indy is the oldest race in America, and the one I built a vintage Truimph for, Pikes Peak "race to the clouds" is the second oldest. They do not list an age limit, but have strict controls on who is accepted to compete. These places are where the legends of racing show up. I was in complete awe in the room of the trophy presentation, who was in the room. We trophied 4 out of 5 years my motor ran, and the company you are in, in the other classes(and ours), is humbling. These races are truly a level of there own. Indy is nothing like Pikes Peak, but Indy is not for intermediate levels of competition. Its only for the most elite of drivers and equipment. I think Indy took a gamble with the NASCAR level, but this motorcycle thing is way out of that league. And the track is not for motorcycles.

August 31, 2010
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I agree with most everything you said in your posts G2, except blaming it on the age of the racer that was the victim of the crash. I've been racing Supermoto for a few years and have seen 13 year olds (and younger) that can ride circles around riders twice their age. Some of these kids have been racing competitively since they were old enough to hold up a bike. They also have naturally quicker reaction times and better balance than a lot of their older counterparts.

I'd also like to comment on the statement you made about the bikes not being setup for the track like the cars are. You are correct about Indy not being made for bikes, but ... there are things you can do to a bike to make it as good as possible for the track conditions ... suspension can be adjusted, proper tires and wheel offset can also be adjusted to work better on round/oval track conditions. The engine can also be tuned to change where the power band is and different sprocket combinations can be used to attain different shifting patterns and higher/lower top speeds. I agree that a bike will never perform to the degree an Indy race car can, since the track was purpose made for them, but the bikes being run there aren't just off the show floor and unmodified either.

Here's a pic of my Supermoto race bike:

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My bike is a purpose built racer that's meant specifically for Supermoto race courses, which have a lot of hairpin turns (both right and left) as well as mixed dirt and pavement sections. Top speeds on most Supermoto courses rarely exceed 100mph, but you have to be able to go from 100mph to almost 0mph (and vice-versa) in a matter of seconds.

August 31, 2010
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My Supermoto bike.

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August 31, 2010
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"_Billy_" wrote: [Image Can Not Be Found]

My Supermoto bike.

Nice bike Billy!

In all seriousness ... that looks like a real collector's item, I bet you it's worth a few $$$$.

August 31, 2010
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Hey Ninor you got a few coin wrapped up in that bike, super nice! I like that log chain you have around that tool box as well Laugh

Well beginning early in life is a huge advantage, especially in sports--I'd suppose if the kid was certified and had the sand--I'd be okay with it if he were mine but man that's a tough call to make. I guess hindsight is 20/20--And yes that Track is absolutely huge--If you've never been there then you've no idea just how big it really is. It's almost too big.

I take or leave racing--open wheel drivers are by far better drivers than Nascar drivers but when it comes to bikes, super speed, moto or other, I don't think one is too much different than the other when it comes to age--I have to agree with Ninor here--but 13 really is damn young, too young to die even if you go out with your boots on doing something you truly love to do, even something you'd risk your life doing.

Speaking of Indy: Sometimes people have short memories: This happened during this years race:

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Something that I can guarantee won't be mentioned much is if any of the debris managed to sneak thru the catch fence and injure a patron or 2 or maybe a half dozen.

I'm not sure if Conway--the guy upside down---is back in the saddle as of yet.

These guys make it look easy but it's damn dangerous.

http://www.racintoday.com/archives/18249

These guys really can ride like you and I walk down the street: Amazing, especially if you've ever ridden --if so then you know the balls it takes to do this kind of stuff at these speeds. He's flying!

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Probably just wanted to pop/showcase the sponsor on the bottom of the fairing!

Birds eye view of Conway upside down at Indy! Scary stuff! 😮

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August 31, 2010
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Actually the bicycle is valued at $7,000.00.

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August 31, 2010
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Here's a pic of the little Man!

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And it seems that the story is fueling some much needed debate. I think a good thing!

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Jay is a good guy--we've had a few exchanges over the past few months in regard to certain sport topics.

How young is too young to race?

During a motorcycle race at Indianapolis Motor Speedway on Sunday, 13-year-old Peter Lenz fell off his bike during a warmup lap and was run over by a trailing motorcycle. A few hours later, Lenz was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital; the cause of death, according to the Marion County coroner's office, was blunt force trauma.

Though he was just 4-foot-11 and 81 pounds, Lenz was already a highly accomplished racer, according to the Associated Press. He earned "expert" designation from the American Federation of Motorcyclists by the time he was 11, and this year, competing in the U.S. Grand Prix Racers Union, he had already amassed four wins and five podium finishes.

No doubt the little man could race--such a loss!

His Fathers message:

His father's message on Peter's Facebook page was heartbreaking. "He passed doing what he loved and had his go fast face on as he pulled onto the track," the posting said. "The world lost one of its brightest lights today. God Bless Peter and the other rider involved. 45 [Peter's number] is on another road we can only hope to reach. Miss you kiddo."

Lenz is the youngest driver/rider fatality ever at the 101-year-old Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/blog/fro ... car-266149

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