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February 7, 2010
2:13 pm
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Holy hell the mistake this Giant has made, hard to believe.Trying to pass of an obvious electronic issue/issues as a sticking gas pedal is insane. I'm not sure who's idea this was but something tells me he wasn't Japanese, but before anyone has a cow Laugh That's just my opinion but seems to fit the American Manufacturing way. " DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, JUST KEEP HITTIN IT " Little Billy tells Jimmy as he tries to pound a square peg into a round hole. 🙄

I went at it with a local HACK WRITER over this issue about two weeks ago when things started to heat up. Some idiot who I reduced to a whining little bitch with nothing left but to criticize my choice of words and lack of proper grammar. He's since rolled over when it was reported that the National Transportation Chief is now looking into the ELECTRONICS Laugh Laugh
Only it ain't so funny 18 or so people have died over this issue.

I'm sure that there are some here who are more mechanically inclined than myself that can explain why a DRIVE BY WIRE vehicle could or might have issues with electronics contained with their drive trains. Have at it if you will.

In my lifetime every major ( AT ONE TIME KING OF AUTO MANUFACTURING has failed at some point for some reason and almost all are self inflicted wounds. This is no different, but it being Toyota is to me, a shocker.

Bring Em Home Cole

February 7, 2010
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This is one time we totally agree Cole! The senerios I've herd is that the accerators goto full throttle, and thats totally different from being depressed and sticking. The driver knows the difference too. These kind of glitches may be next to impossible to detect.

I had a very unexplained robot failure which is a good example of the "totally unexplained" of computer glitches. We all get them all the time on our PC's, so rebooting usually corrects it. My robot in the middle of a long overlay weld build up proceedure, suddenly the turn table started turning the opposite direction, at an uncontrolled speed. Another insodent, the robot arm lurched sideways and the arc damaged a critical surface. These are very sophistocated 9 axis machines, that full coordinate the robot arm and turn tables. They seek the next programed point to move to by encoders in the motors, and a very complicated controller. We ran expensive tests and simulated the overlay for weeks. When something like this happens its a major insodent requiring a complete investigation, shutting down the machine to production, and specific answer to why it happened. We could never get the machine to reproduce the same results, and I spent weeks welding sample to make it.
These Toyota computer glitches may be something that is so remote to occur, they may not find a concrete answer, and worst of all, may not be able to locate the problem in each vehicle if they know what can happen. Even a pending failure may be undetectable in the computer. They know replacing all the computers in every recalled car may be the answer, and this linkage is a coverup. Its also a legal means for Toyoto to say, we thought it was a linkage problem and thought we fixed it. It may be a legal smokescreen to make it appear they were being diligent, where its infact, a coverup to a much bigger problem.

I'm with you on this one Cole, this is probably in a far more expensive computer problem. How much would a new computer cost for all these cars. Of all these models which ones may use the same basic computer, and which ones use the same basic throttle linkage?

February 7, 2010
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It is particularly depressing for me to hear this because the Prius electric car is one that is said to be faulty.

I want an electric car, and Toyota was making some progress through the muck to get them to the people.

Heck! I'd even take an electric scooter if it could keep up with the traffic and give me 30 miles on a charge! P*ss easy I think.

* Electric bicycles are just rusting outside people's homes because they aren't what they want. You have to pedal to get the motor working and the amount of power is related to how hard you pedal. I've got one of the old ones which has a twist-grip on the handlebars so you can decide how much (if any) pedalling you want to do. - The twist controllers were outlawed and there went the interest.

I've also got two other EV scooters which I made myself and there's no pedal option and they are legal providing they can't go over 24 km/h. - But I got stopped on them a lot and had to explain the law to the police so many times that I just gave up and now they just sit full-charged in my garage.

* Scuse the derailing the thread for a rant. But maybe I'm part-right about the Prius being cynically framed because it threatened Big Oil???

February 7, 2010
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Electric cars have never been sucessful in the USA. The hybrids are gaining but IMHO most people don;t want to pay so much for such little restricted useage. Bottom line is they have not reached a point of them being cost effective. The cost of plugging them into your home electicity also is never estimated in the cost of use either. It take a certain amount of kilowatt hours to recharge them, so what is the cost of that power. Home electical bills are usually penalized after you go beyond expected usage.

February 7, 2010
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Electric cars.

Pish Posh.

Electric cars are a con.

What next ......

The Electric Plane.

Would any of youes fly in an Electric A380 or an Electric 747.

🙄

February 7, 2010
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* The electicity is much cheaper than gasoline. And it is possible to get the elctricity from solar or wind power.

* The only expensive part is the battery system. And there's no reason that should be a problem either.

* For long distances electric cars are risky. But take here for instance - I only need something which can go 50 km/h and has a range of 50 kms. Why the hell can't I have one? If I had one I'd use the gasoline one far less as I only go on a long journey once over other week or so.

In the summer I'd use my electric scooter. I made it myself three years ago. I can go 24.9999 km/h (max) and get about 15kms. That was fine. I just plugged it in at night and it was always ready to go the next day. - It's needed almost no maintenance that I couldn't easily do myself.

A car for several people is of course a different kettle of fish but it's the same principle - just that everything has to be stronger (and more expensive).

The Prius can be driven all-electric here I think. That's what people want! A car that can go completely on batteries so they aren't necessarily tied to the pump. - Imagine the cities with no smog-belching small-bore scooters. replace those with little electric scooters and the place would instantly be dramatically improved.

February 7, 2010
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"rath" wrote: Electric cars.

Pish Posh.

Electric cars are a con.

What next ......

The Electric Plane.

Would any of youes fly in an Electric A380 or an Electric 747.

🙄

Electric cars needn't be a con. They are being set up to fail. People like me making the effort to be electric aren't conning anyone. I'm just one man trying to do a wide range of skills to get a vehicle which can be used safely on the streets. A big car company has all the experts in the different fields relating to cars and bikes to get a machine which is much better than I can hobble together and for a lot less money. All we get are promises and so much hot air.

February 8, 2010
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"rath" wrote: Electric cars.

Pish Posh.

Electric cars are a con.

What next ......

The Electric Plane.

Would any of youes fly in an Electric A380 or an Electric 747.

🙄

lol.... Laugh

February 8, 2010
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my mate had an electric chainsaw,it was absolutely useless

February 8, 2010
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"rath" wrote: Electric cars.

Pish Posh.

Electric cars are a con.

What next ......

The Electric Plane.

Would any of youes fly in an Electric A380 or an Electric 747.

🙄

Electric Airplane :mrgreen:

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