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Shootings Fray Afghan Ties
March 12, 2012
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 86264.html

A U.S. soldier walked off his base in Afghanistan and opened fire on local villagers Sunday, Afghan and U.S. officials said, killing 16 people in a shooting spree that further complicates American efforts to end its longest foreign war.
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The soldier, who allegedly gunned down his victims—most of them women and children—about a mile from the U.S. base in the Panjway district of Kandahar province, surrendered and is now in U.S. custody. His identity hasn't been disclosed.

"When the Americans are killing civilians intentionally, this is called terror and it is an unforgivable act," Afghan President Hamid Karzai said. President Barack Obama called the Afghan leader to express his "shock and sadness" and to make clear Washington's commitment to "hold fully accountable anyone responsible."

"it is easy to grow crazy"

March 24, 2012
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Wonder what's gonna happen when one of these clowns has a memory loss incident while at the Mall, or crowded Wal-Mart on some lazy summer Sunday afternoon?
Wonder if they'll toss the " HE SIGNED UP AFTER 9-11 " Bullshit from that particular bio in an attempt to save the brand!!!!!!!!!!

My blood boils when I here or see such openly displayed brainwashing.

Cole

March 25, 2012
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Now the latest, running interference for the defense.

This stinks........period.

U.S. investigators believe the U.S. soldier accused of killing 17 Afghan civilians split the slaughter into two episodes, returning to his base after the first attack and later slipping away to kill again.

This scenario seems to support the U.S. government's assertion - contested by some Afghans - that the killings were done by one person, since they would have been perpetrated over a longer period of time than assumed when Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales was detained March 11 outside his base in southern Afghanistan.

But it also raises new questions about how Bales, who was formally charged Friday with 17 counts of premeditated murder and other crimes, could have carried out the nighttime attacks without drawing attention from any Americans on the Kandahar province base.

I'll leave it there...........Since he said that he has no memory how is it that he found his way undetected, unimpeded ETC. And people have to wonder why so many always have so many questions. Something tells me that the investigators don't put much faith in eyewitness accounts...amazing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lians.html

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March 25, 2012
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Yes, very disturbing...

"it is easy to grow crazy"

March 28, 2012
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Hush monies have been paid, and news of it being a Pacification raid gone bad, complete with Chopper support, are beginning to leak. One very good question was " How can it be that the C.O. of the base was unable to hear gun fire and screams taking place just meters from base location?"

Further: Looks like the AUTHORITIES have a tapped confession with video and audio of it being Bales as the lone gunman..... 😕 😕 😕

Pretty easy to collect the spent casings as well as the spent rounds and see just how many guns were actually involved. Anyway.............he must be one mean strong SOB to pack a 5 gallon Jerry can full of fuel 2 miles, undetected no less, and along with his usual gear..

I've one of those 2-3 day packs....I can pack it, my wife bless her heart, she'd last about 200 yards or so... Laugh Laugh You'd be amazed at what you can get in one of those...Military Field packs...

Something really really bad happened here ( in Afghanistan that is ) Really bad and the rumor is that it's actually not the first one of it's kind.

Over @ the VT they are pointing toward Obama, yet it's actually Bush's war...........so I've taking the spew with a grain of salt, yet most of the detail is more than likely the actual truth of what really happened..

Bales = handpicked patsy. Just reading his background gives me the willies. Obviously he's one of many hundreds running loose in the current environment.

JMHO...............

Cole

March 28, 2012
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"at1with0" wrote: He apparently passed mental health screenings in the past which draws those processes into question...

Interesting point becasue Major Hasan was one who delt with treating PTS, and probably accessing those who returned from a tour of duty, to clear them for another. How many times do you expect these guys to go back again and again, remembering most of them are also reservists, who were recalled with the added stress of income loss for families, and future loss of homes, etc. Even in the viet nam era, if you got drafted it was for 2 years, and you were out. training and one tour of 13 months. enlistees went maybe 2 times, because they enlisted for either 3 or 4 years. I do not recall if they "extended until the duration" anyone, and reservists were not recalled for viet nam.

March 31, 2012
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No sorry...............the truly interesting and very very scary aspect to this BULLSHIT story is this and this alone:

U.S. soldier accused of killing 17 Afghan villagers 'had many accomplices', survivors of massacre claim

IF YOU READ IT....................You will find the detail of what and how US Foot patrols conduct night time missions. To me...............this reeks of an absolute pacification raid.....whether or not it went bad, wrong, sideways is open for discussion.................Unless of course every single Afghan eye witness is nothing more than a liar. 😕 😕 😕

Seriously....................how on earth can any decent human being support this kind of BULLSHIT. Paint with any tool in your box, NOTHING can color this in a fair light.. NOTHING.

One mother-of-six, whose husband was killed during the incident, believes there were as many as 20 people involved.

She told SBS Dateline journalist Yalda Hakim: 'When they shot dead my husband, I tried to drag him into the house, they'd shot him in the head so his brain was all over my hands. I had to use a bowl for his blood.

'I saw more than 20 people when I looked out the house. The Americans pointed their guns at me and threatened me, telling me not to leave the house or they'd kill me.'

I wish I knew why so many are so afraid of the f,ing truth.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lices.html

IN my personal opinion...................I believe this to be something yet to be told....Maybe time will tell.

Cole

PS. The piece says the accused has his attorney on the ground in Afghanistan doing interviews and gathering evidence............he says it's a very very difficult thing to do...................but he's seen this kind of thing a few times before. 😕 😉 😯

March 12, 2012
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Why did he do it? We are asking these guys to take too many tours of duty, we are expecting too much from them.

March 13, 2012
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"greeney2" wrote: Why did he do it? We are asking these guys to take too many tours of duty, we are expecting too much from them.

good point g2 . I'd like to add how confusing it must be to even trained soldiers
to comprehend a mission against the backdrop of an culture whom kills on
behalf of their holy book. the adversary/ enemy lives among his family and dresses like the civilian. literally , there are no safe areas. no formations and few fixed fortifications... training counterparts is equally difficult. will two years make an differance ? I think we need to go up stream and find the source. combat fatigue or payback ? ( tragic for the innocent
victims of this bizzaro behavior.)

word via news feeds...the soldier is said to have an prior traumatic brain injury.

March 13, 2012
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He had some sort of head injury from a vehicle accident, non-combat related. This is also his 3rd or 4th tour of duty.

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