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June 11, 2012
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Outright robbed. Reminded me of Hagler Leonard all over again. Boxing ( a once great sport ) is all but done..

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June 11, 2012
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I'll be watching the fight this weekend when they rebroadcast it for free. It sounds like this one really was a wrong decision, and has opened up a big investigation. Like that will do anything! Seems to very universal that the decision was wrong, punch stats were far more for Manny, plus harder punches were landed.

Did you see the fight live?

June 11, 2012
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I read the decision was a split decision with all 3 judges having the same scores, of 115-113. 2 favored Bradley, 1 Manny. Pretty much means they all scored a near draw, and probably one round edged out, the judging point spread. Very close to a unanamous technical draw, had they all scored one round differenly. It would be interesting to know if the same round was the round they all saw different, or if each saw a different round differently in their scoring. I'd like to see the fight, and also see a round by round, scorecard as I watch the rebroadcast.

June 12, 2012
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People still watch boxing?

"it is easy to grow crazy"

June 12, 2012
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The established champion should always be given a slight edge in a drawish fight. From what I understand, the fight was a complete bore, with Bradley throwing wild, silly looking punches and PacMan not seizing the initiative or doing much of anything the whole time.

I've grown very bored with boxing.

MMA is where it's at. True gladiators in that sport.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

June 12, 2012
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I concur.

Though he hasn't done great as of late, Lyoto Machida is one of my favorites... I'm a fan of the karate and jiu jitsu combo.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

June 12, 2012
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My Bro-In-law bought it, always does.NEXT DAY... Called me up and told me that he wanted me to watch it and tell what I thought. I'm still not sure what the average Boxing fan truly knows about real battle in the ring, surely it's not much. Not even MOST ( NOT ALL ) but most all of the sportscasters know much about what they are really seeing.

Pac was the aggressor right out of the gate, yet it looked like he was showing his opponent a bit too much respect. That changed and changed quickly...he rained down on this guy like a thunderstorm, easily winning all of the early rounds. One may have even been a 10-8 round just based on " shots landed " alone. You can score a round that way ya know.

Mid fight " what's his name changes tactics " had no choice since he was getting his lunch handed to him. Only it was more like dancing to me, not boxing.............The dude isn't real polished is you ask me, but it did throw Manny off stride a bit.... Still as the Champ he had already done plenty enough to have wrapped up the fight. Trust me had " what's his name " stood in there like a man, he'd have been K'O'ed.

The problem I have with it is simple, and it's one only slightly touched on because I'm sure ( positive ) that the PTB wish to avoid the " FIXED " aspect of the match....some have called those claiming such a thing as " CONSPIRACY THEORISTS " LOL..............LOL............

Well gee let's see..............Bob Arum controls " PROMOTES " both fighters.................so how in hell can it ever be rigged/fixed.. Laugh Laugh Laugh Imagine if you will Phil Jackson coaching the Lakers as well as the Bulls at the same time, same season... Laugh Laugh Laugh Nuff said.

Arum is pushing for an investigation as a means of posturing " NOTHING MORE " He could really care less ( In my opinion ) Acting mad makes it look like the judges were incompetent, this means they can focus on them vs focusing on the fight itself. If anyone looks closely at the fight ( anyone who knows jack about boxing ) they will see Manny win and win easily.................too many reasons to list but punch stats about say it all.

My thing when boxing/training is simple....the fighter who controls the ring, seldom has to back up, is more than likely the better fighter/boxer................sure he'll get hit, but if he's not consistently backed off and is always coming forward than he controls the ring. It's simple and you see it with EVERY GOOD CHAMPION.

How do i know.....just watch it....the only way an aggressor gets backed off is to get hit often and hurt when he gets hit....they don't stay in the kitchen very long when it gets hot in the ring. If they do they get floored.

Exactly what happened.

MMA.......Was watching that when it was all PPV viewing....Some of those early on fights were classic. Gracie was the best ever.....................Nobody could ever beat him.

Cole

June 12, 2012
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One can scream for an investigation, or one can file an actual protest. Has an actual protest been filed? Secondly protests usually result from something really out of the ordinary, cn't give you a good example, but this uproar is about a scoring outcome, which 3 judges almost scored a technical draw.

All the dancing, you discribe Cole, I agree is running, but from some judges perspective, they call that ring generalship, a term hard to define. They may see it as him winning a round by not allowing themselves to he hit, by superior footwork, and boxing, rather than fighting and brawling head to head. When you have a fighter agains a boxer, many times it appears like one is running, whimping out. A boxer is not going to be intimidated into fighting the fighters fight, he will stick to his game plan to "Punch and get out", be hard to hit with moving and footwork. I'm not sure this is the case, I want to see the fight rerun.

June 12, 2012
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There were only a few fighters who could really display the ring generalship of which you speak, yes I agree with that aspect of boxing in general.....Bradley, dare I say his name........LOL Is no stick and move kinda guy, especially not one of note.....Only a few ever really mastered that aspect of boxing Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, to name a couple.....Not much on Ray Leonard, too flashy and his stuff never stung much......Salvador Sanchez would have cleaned his friggin clock only he died before he ever got the chance.....and he ducked Hagler until ................well that's a long story.

Alexis Arguello ( sic ) is one of the very very best Boxers to ever walk this planet...................he too was robbed by a drug induced Zombie who is now 6 feet under..................The shame of it all....

Watch it............you'll agree. Robbery at it's highest level.

Cole

June 13, 2012
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"at1with0" wrote: I concur.

Though he hasn't done great as of late, Lyoto Machida is one of my favorites... I'm a fan of the karate and jiu jitsu combo.

It's funny to me how they'll stop a boxing match if a cut won't stop bleeding... but in MMA, after the last fight of the night, the entire ring is saturated in fresh blood. People keep fighting even with broken arms and noses... and cuts? That's just part of the fun. In fact, I've seen many fights where all the blood gushing out of a guy's skull worked to his advantage because it made both fighters (covered in blood) too slippery for one to lock in a submission choke hold.

To me Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is obviously the best all-around fighting technique but unfortunately it's also one of the most boring.

MMA has completely shattered the total myth that some Shao Lin monk can walk down from a mountain and kick everyone's ass with his kung fu. Pffffftt... these MMA fighters would eat up someone like that for breakfast. All this becomes painfully obvious when you see 3rd and 4th degree blackbelts step into the ring and get whipped and made a fool of by a kick ass wrestler.

My favorite fighter in MMA history is Chuck Liddell. I mean, he just went in there with his fists clinched and kicked people's ass, barfight-style. Imagine pissing that guy off at a bar after he's had his fill of beer and Jagermeister. :wtf:

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