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Omniscience and Laplace's demon
May 11, 2011
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From the sci american article:

David H. Wolpert, a physics-trained computer scientist at the NASA Ames Research Center, has chimed in with his version of a knowledge limit. Because of it, he concludes, the universe lies beyond the grasp of any intellect, no matter how powerful, that could exist within the universe. Specifically, during the past two years, he has been refining a proof that no matter what laws of physics govern a universe, there are inevitably facts about the universe that its inhabitants cannot learn by experiment or predict with a computation. Philippe M. Binder, a physicist at the University of Hawaii at Hilo, suggests that the theory implies researchers seeking unified laws cannot hope for anything better than a “theory of almost everything.”

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In 2008, David Wolpert used Cantor diagonalization to disprove Laplace's demon. He did this by assuming that the demon is a computational device and showing that no two such devices can completely predict each other.[3] If the demon were not contained within and computed by the universe, any accurate simulation of the universe would be indistinguishable from the universe to an internal observer, and the argument remains distinct from what is observable.

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May 13, 2011
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so you can't observe the machine fully from within..you'd haveto be serparate from it to observe it as a whole..only thigk is..everything IS the machine..so..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....nzaykWhlXs

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May 13, 2011
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I think you absolute have to have "opposing forces" to keep the motion going.
it's those forces that create any kind of computation at all..
thos elittle talking dolls come to mind from about ten years ago..Furby (had to look it up)..when you'd face them at each other they would go on and on, and on..bouncing off each others bouncing

We are the product of the talk of a couple of yapping Furbies? (two intereacting programs within one larger program)

I once got a visual of it all that looked a-lot like a reverse family tree chart..
a subroutine, springing from a subroutine, springing from a sub routine...etc <-:mrgreen:

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May 18, 2011
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How linear your thinking is. :naughty:

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May 18, 2011
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okay..expanding my horizons, here
a multideminsesional tree growing roots and limbs in all directions and dimensions at once

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May 18, 2011
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"bionic" wrote: okay..expanding my horizons, here
a multideminsesional tree growing roots and limbs in all directions and dimensions at once

How do you tell the roots from the branches?

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May 18, 2011
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When you are calm, at peace, passive, you will know the difference.

Or at least be able to assume you know the difference. 😈

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May 18, 2011
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maybe a tree..isn't close enough, maybe a nerve cell would be a better example?

Willie Wonka quotes..
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A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

May 18, 2011
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Might as well be a tree, at least that's easy to visualize.

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