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Obama Curbs Secrecy of Classified Documents
December 30, 2009
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By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: December 29, 2009

WASHINGTON — President Obama declared on Tuesday that “no information may remain classified indefinitely” as part of a sweeping overhaul of the executive branch’s system for protecting classified national security information.

In an executive order and an accompanying presidential memorandum to agency heads, Mr. Obama signaled that the government should try harder to make information public if possible, including by requiring agencies to regularly review what kinds of information they classify and to eliminate any obsolete secrecy requirements.

In an executive order and an accompanying presidential memorandum to agency heads, Mr. Obama signaled that the government should try harder to make information public if possible, including by requiring agencies to regularly review what kinds of information they classify and to eliminate any obsolete secrecy requirements.

“Agency heads shall complete on a periodic basis a comprehensive review of the agency’s classification guidance, particularly classification guides, to ensure the guidance reflects current circumstances and to identify classified information that no longer requires protection and can be declassified,” Mr. Obama wrote in the order, released while he was vacationing in Hawaii.

He also established a new National Declassification Center at the National Archives to speed the process of declassifying historical documents by centralizing their review, rather than sending them in sequence to different agencies. He set a four-year deadline for processing a 400-million-page backlog of such records that includes archives related to military operations during World War II and the Korean and Vietnam Wars.

Moreover, Mr. Obama eliminated a rule put in place by former President George W. Bush in 2003 that allowed the leader of the intelligence community to veto decisions by an interagency panel to declassify information. Instead, spy agencies who object to such a decision will have to appeal to the president.

As a presidential candidate, Mr. Obama campaigned on a theme of making the government less secretive. But in office his record has been more ambiguous, drawing fire from advocates of open government by embracing Bush-era claims that certain lawsuits involving surveillance and torture must be shut down to protect state secrets.

Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists, expressed cautious optimism about Mr. Obama’s new order, saying it appeared to be “a major step forward” from the vantage point of those who believe the government is too secretive.

“Everything depends on the faithful implementation by the agencies,”
Mr. Aftergood said, “but there are some real innovations here.”

Mr. Obama also suggested that his administration might undertake further changes, saying he looked forward to recommendations from a study that Gen. James L. Jones, the national security adviser, is leading “to design a more fundamental transformation of the security classification system.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/us/po ... ts.html?hp

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December 30, 2009
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Mr. Obama signaled that the government should try harder to make information public if possible

Am I the only one that laughs when I read this?

Specifically these parts:

Mr. Obama signaled that the government should try harder to make information public if possible

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

December 30, 2009
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Not too long now in imagin & the USA will have Medicare cards, an Electoral role & Electronic identity (ID) cards before you even know it.

December 30, 2009
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relevance?

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

December 30, 2009
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"Tairaa" wrote: relevance?

No i dont find you are.

December 30, 2009
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You don't find that I am relevance? Well that's good! Because that would be a dusy of a situation to explain. I am relevance materialized!

I mean does your comment have any relevance to the topic at hand?

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

December 30, 2009
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"Tairaa" wrote: You don't find that I am relevance? Well that's good! Because that would be a dusy of a situation to explain. I am relevance materialized!

I mean does your comment have any relevance to the topic at hand?

This is not' what id expect from a wanna be Moderator tairaa.

FAIL.

"rath" wrote: [quote="Tairaa"]relevance?

No i dont find you are.

Oh you mean, Embarassed my bad.

Well .. 1st of all you will need to know what an electoral roll is & what a medicare / national id card is.

Go look that up tairaa ... or i could tell you, this aswell.

& you might better understand what the relevance is.

I would hope that anybody who seeks to be a moderator would be more patient & a lot more knowledgeable.

How will you moderate other peoples opinions if you don't understand what the issues are, or the depths of the topic..

December 30, 2009
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Mmkay, I'll bite. But, prior note: I'm not a wannbe moderator. I think there are other people who would do a good job, and though I also think that I would do a good job it's realistically not something that I want to do. If john decides I'd be a good mod for a section I would do it, but not because it's what I want to do. Why would I want to moderate? I don't get payed, I have to refrain from using colourful language with you and I have to be polite to you. Which I have been and am going to try and do regardless of moderating as it has been requested by john to improve the quality of the board for everyone. And I guess that's one small way that I can easily do that. I would do it because I have never payed to use this site, I have never donated any money to this site, yet I use it. Most days I'm on here. And I really do appreciate that, so I figure if there is a service on this site that I can do simply while I'm on here anyway it would be the least I could do to lend a hand.

Anyway, I digress, I said I'd bite.

I would hope that anybody who seeks to be a moderator would be more patient & a lot more knowledgeable.

As I rather heavily and sarcastically implied earlier it is my belief that a moderator simply maintains civility and keeps things on track and to the rules. Not someone who is knowledgeable.

How will you moderate other peoples opinions if you don't understand what the issues are, or the depths of the topic..

What a moderator should NOT be is thought police. No one has ever moderated other peoples opinions or expression, or no one would come here. Clearly.

Well .. 1st of all you will need to know what an electoral roll is & what a medicare / national id card is.

Go look that up tairaa ... or i could tell you, this aswell.

& you might better understand what the relevance is.

Well, I have to admit, I was unclear as to what an electoral roll was until you brought it up the first time, then I found out, and asked about its relevance along with ID cards. I'm not intimately familiar with national ID cards specifically, but I know what RFID are capable of and I bet they are virtually the same technology.

But of what relevance is that to the topic at hand, I ask again?
This is about the method of declassification being revised in the US for their FOIA. Or I mean, that was my understanding..

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

December 30, 2009
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I think the point that John was trying to make when he made this post is that many of the UFO documents will be released.

BTW John how have you turned out on your ability to obtain the classified info that they were withholding because of their claim on news agencies?

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December 30, 2009
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"rath" wrote: [quote="Tairaa"]You don't find that I am relevance? Well that's good! Because that would be a dusy of a situation to explain. I am relevance materialized!

I mean does your comment have any relevance to the topic at hand?

This is not' what id expect from a wanna be Moderator tairaa.

FAIL.

"rath" wrote: [quote="Tairaa"]relevance?

No i dont find you are.

Oh you mean, Embarassed my bad.

Well .. 1st of all you will need to know what an electoral roll is & what a medicare / national id card is.

Go look that up tairaa ... or i could tell you, this aswell.

& you might better understand what the relevance is.

I would hope that anybody who seeks to be a moderator would be more patient & a lot more knowledgeable.

How will you moderate other peoples opinions if you don't understand what the issues are, or the depths of the topic..

Medicare .... national id cared, electoral roles, drivers licenses, bank accounts, tax file records, there all ways of keeping tabs on people.

& America is playing catch up.

with some 400 million people & most of them untraceable, the usa is seeking ways to track & trace the people within its borders.

The new foi laws, .........

Tell me are they retro-active or not.

A whole bunch of people will run out & put in requests for FOI, they will give over to the US government their names, address, ect ect all to find out what.

This is a data collection program, just like free health care ( medicare card )

& the Electoral role ( Australia )

Wealfare, tax recored,

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