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July 15, 2011
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hi all basically I'm not happy with MSN right now, i say on their news feed thing just now that they did an article on secret society's

now i know the name for us is "conspiricy theorists" but i'm personally am tired of it being used in such a negative way, when ever you talk about something outside of what the sheep or common people are happy with they brand you a conspiricy theorist "ooohhh stay away from that guy he belives in aliens, i bet he searches his hanging rubber plant for bugs every morning"

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in this article it says that with no proof we accuse very high up people to be part of it (as before) without offering a shred of proof and yet there are groups out there which have been bought to life because you cannot deny they exist no matter how much you butter it up.

i personally feel we need to put a stop to this.... how i don't know thats down to people to discuss

here is the link:

http://him.uk.msn.com/in-the-know/secre ... -the-world

for those of you who don't want to click it or just can't be bothered, here is a transcript.

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Secret societies of the world

Secret societies of the world, including the Freemasons(AP Photo-Christophe Ena)

AP Photo-Christophe Ena

It's pretty much agreed that secret societies exist. It's also alleged that some pretty strange things go on in them. But differences emerge about what those strange things really amount to. Are we talking funny handshakes and raucous drinking games, or massive political influence and human sacrifice?

Here is our rundown of 10 of the most sinister/ridiculous (delete according to your own viewpoint) secret societies in the world.

Skull and Bones

The Skull and Bones is, possibly, a sinister secret society of well-connected Yale University undergraduates that controls the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other arms of the US government.

John Kerry and George W Bush(AP Photo-Charles Dharapak)

AP Photo-Charles Dharapak

Political opponents John Kerry and George W Bush were both members of the Skull and Bones society at Yale University

It is also, possibly, a breeding ground for members of the powerful global elite that covertly controls the world and everything in it. And it is, possibly, a glorified drinking club for wealthy students.

What is certain is that former 'Bonesmen' include George W Bush and former presidential candidate John Kerry, both of whom remain tight lipped about the society's activities.

On Bing: learn more about the Skull and Bones

The Bullingdon Club

The nearest thing to the Skull and Bones in Britain is probably the Bullingdon Club, an exclusive 'dining' club at Oxford that boasts David Cameron and Boris Johnson among its former members.

Nobody claims the Bullingdon Club is the English arm of the Illuminati, or that its activities are anything other than boorish and crude. But its members have been accused of trashing restaurants and subjecting enemies to riotous 'debaggings' (the 'humorous' removal of the victim's trousers).

If you think any of that's funny, just remember that one former 'Bully' now has his finger on the trigger of the nation's nuclear arsenal.

On Bing: learn more about the Bullingdon Club

The Bilderberg Group

Conspiracy theorists argue that the Bilderberg Group membership includes many of the western world's most powerful politicians and financiers. That may or may not be true, but the next bit is a little more controversial. The group's aim is the overthrow of national governments and asserting sole dominance over an enslaved world.

Protestor with anti-Bilderberg Group placard(AP Photo-Manu Fernandez)

AP Photo-Manu Fernandez

The annual gathering of the Bilderberg Group consistently attracts protestors

Alternatively, Bilderberg is a group of has-beens (plus invited guests) who get together once a year to discuss world problems over good food and fine wine.

It's certainly quite secretive, though. One Daily Telegraph journalist - who is still by all accounts alive - has said that, "the reality of these conferences appears to boil down to a group of willy-waggling old men comparing their security details and dreaming of past glories."

On Bing: read more about the Bilderberg Group

Thule Society

Sometimes the conspiracy theorists are right, and secret societies do change the course of history.

The Thule Society was a German group, formed after the first world war, which believed in the coming of a 'German redeemer'. Its members were happy to support Adolf Hitler in that role when he started his rise to power.

Some historians have argued that without the early support of the society, Hitler would be nothing more than a short historical footnote.

The Thule Society believed in the purity of an Aryan race, and forced recruits to declare a bloodline free from 'contamination' by Jews and 'coloured' peoples. Their warped philosophies would find a chilling echo in the decades to come.

On Bing: learn more about the Thule Society

The Knights of the Golden Circle

Though long disbanded, the Knights of the Golden Circle was a group rumoured to include outlaw Jesse James and John Wilkes Booth, President Abraham Lincoln's killer, among its members.

John Wilkes Booth(AP Photo-Sun Classics Pictures Inc)

AP Photo-Sun Classics Pictures Inc

John Wilkes Booth, the man who killed Abraham Lincoln, was said to be a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle

The interesting thing about the Knights was that it didn't just limit its activity to odd rituals and funny handshakes.

Before and during the American civil war, the group formed armed renegade bands with the intention of invading Mexico and the West Indies and, later, supporting the Confederate government.

On Bing: more on the Knights of the Golden Circle

Order of the Nine Angles

Find a secret society and you'll often find the devil in close attendance. That's certainly true of the Order of the Nine Angles, a satanist group with neo-Nazi leanings formed in the UK in the 1960s.

The group might be considered the hardcore wing of the devil-worshipping movement. Its writings bang on about creating a new human species through physical and mental hardship, which would be fine if it weren't for the other side of the coin. They believed creating a super race also involved the slightly thorny topic of human sacrifice, to rid humanity of the weak and unfit.

On Bing: read more about the Order of the Nine Angles

Freemasons

If it wasn't just a big club for middle-aged blokes with imaginative handshakes, the Freemasons - with millions of members worldwide - might be quite a dangerous organisation.

Freemasons in France(AP Photo-Christophe Ena)

AP Photo-Christophe Ena

Some people continue to believe that Freemasons influence the upper echelons of law and politics

Of course, to some people it really is a dangerous organisation, and its huge list of powerful members - along with all those weird rituals and olde worlde symbolism - only serve to emphasise the point.

According to their detractors, Freemasons have heavily infiltrated the upper echelons of law and politics, making sure other Freemasons get the benefit of important decisions (or so the popular theory goes).

On Bing: learn more about the Freemasons

The Church of Satan

Compared to the Order of The Nine Angles, the Church of Satan seems a pretty cuddly organisation. It's not even that secret - if you have $200 to spare you can probably join, even if it's not something you'd boast about at your son's Cub Scout barbecue.

And in many ways the rules of the church seem quite reasonable. "Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked," they say, and "do not harm little children". You'd be hard pressed to argue with that.

But as with so much, the devil (sorry) is in the detail. Rules like this one - "If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they don't stop, destroy them" - do betray a certain satanic mindset.

On Bing: find out more about the Church of Satan

The New World Order

The New World Order is a somewhat nebulous term for a shadowy (or fictional) organisation that may or may not include the Illuminati (see below) but does, according to certain online conspiracy theorists with absolutely no evidence, include members of the corporate and political elite. Some crackpots even believe our dear old Queen is part of it.

Queen Elizabeth II(AP Photo-Scott Heppell, Pool)

AP Photo-Scott Heppell, Pool

Member of the New World Order? We seriously doubt it!

Yes, you did just read that correctly. These baseless theorists would have you believe our very own monarch is not the ageing ribbon snipper of popular perception, but the leading light of an organisation that plans to impose a one-world government on the rest of us. A kind of Dr Evil in a tiara, you might say.

The emergence of a New World Order is a constant theme of crackpot anti-government types in America. And there's no doubt that the need to defend liberty against this powerful global elite provides a convenient excuse for middle-aged white men to meet in the woods and muck about with powerful weaponry.

On Bing: read more about the New World Order

The Illuminati

In some interpretations the New World Order is a secret faction in its own right, while in others it's simply the ultimate goal of a powerful cabal of extended families collectively known as the Illuminati.

In this view, the Illuminati is an organisation of supremely influential and well-connected individuals, who secretly gather in a series of councils and committees to manipulate global political and financial institutions and further their own dastardly ends.

Those ends include a reduction in the global population to a billion citizens useful to the Illuminati, and the end to all social distinctions except master and servant.

Nasty. And probably nonsense. The real Illuminati was a Bavarian 18th-century sect infiltrated and destroyed in 1785. There is no concrete evidence that anything of the sort survives today. But then I would say that, wouldn't I?

On Bing: read more about the Illuminati

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thanks for reading hope to hear some response.

July 16, 2011
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good stuff..whenever I hear people making flippant remarks about online conspiracy people, I immediatley know they are talking about the likes of us here, and realize that, at least they see us, seeing them.

"first, they laugh..."

fight the power
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July 16, 2011
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Yes I am a 32 degree Freemason and plan to control the world.
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"Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez" Let the Good Times Roll

July 20, 2011
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"bionic" wrote: good stuff..whenever I hear people making flippant remarks about online conspiracy people, I immediatley know they are talking about the likes of us here, and realize that, at least they see us, seeing them.

"first, they laugh..."

fight the power
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What is an online conspiracy person? How do they differ from an offline conspiracy person?

If some conspiracies were so ridiculous, why is so much time, money, and energy spent in refuting them?????????????????????? Laugh Laugh Laugh Further: why the stupid guilt by association tactics.??? Surely you must know...

Be proud, walk with your head held high............

Cole

July 20, 2011
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What is an online conspiracy person? How do they differ from an offline conspiracy person?

If some conspiracies were so ridiculous, why is so much time, money, and energy spent in refuting them?????????????????????? Further: why the stupid guilt by association tactics.??? Surely you must know...

Be proud, walk with your head held high............

............and hide behind a ficticious identity, don't tell anyone where you are from, and spread lies like a afternoon soap opera, if you are a real conspiracy expert. Laugh Laugh Laugh What ever you do, don;t let the neighbors know about your secret life as a armchair James bond. Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Well said Cole Trickle...well said.

Though it has been years since I have done this ..I have done it twice to two different peoples I know to be under a oath as they themselves admitted to me.

What I did was ask a series of questions one built upon the results of the previous question.

What I asked these two people, at different times, was ...

Is it possible to educate or indoctrinate people to believe a lie..a deception and go along with it.

The answer was yes....

A whole nation...yes...most of the peoples...yes..definitely it was possible.

Is it possible to get them to react or conduct themselves in accordance with this lie...to vote or operate in a certain manner..fashion..required...

Yes..

To do this over and over to a people/nation requires a discipline..a religion if you like.. a devout religion..one in which the people being controlled do not even know is happening to them. Is this possible..

Yes.

This religion is a system of lies and deceit for control..but few would even be aware it is happening to them. Is this possible???

Yes...

And it is a devout system of lies and control??

Yes..

Give me the name of the father of lies..the god of this world.????

Now once I asked the last question...from both peoples I questioned...I got a very strange look of un expectation and confusion..which turned quickly to a look of danger. For I had asked the one question for which no one should be asking??? It was totally unexpected by them.

But the answer was even more startling to behold...

both of them mind you ...at different times when asked this series of questions...told me the same thing...

I cannot answer that ....I have taken an oath.

Now I am here to tell you.........................It is a very very strange thing when someone
cannot tell you the name of their god.

It is very very strange and alarming.

This is what we have in leadership positions today. And we wonder why we have the problems we have. We do not know even the very nature of that with which we are dealing.

And we want to compromise with this...to Coexist?????

We need to be better informed..and to do this we need more than just a public school/television/movie education stimulating mostly our feelings. Our feelings are obviously conditioned/programmed to deceive us about the nature of much happening out here.

We need to seriously muse about the nature of things out here....

Not Amuse.

They could not tell me the name of their god...very very strange behavior.

I knew exactly what George Bush was saying when he stated that he believed in a Supreme Being during an interview about his religious beliefs. And he is not the only one out there like this.

Do you really believe the intent and goal is to balance a budget and reduce taxes out here in the American Government?

Thanks,
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July 20, 2011
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We need to be better informed..and to do this we need more than just a public school/television/movie education stimulating mostly our feelings. Our feelings are obviously conditioned/programmed to deceive us about the nature of much happening out here.

Some people are programmed to believe anything or anyone who tells them those sourses are all lies. That all that we learn in schools is a lie. That Television News is all a lie. There is a difference between a legitimate conspiracy expert, and the millions who flock onto the internet pretending to be. I just had a disagreement with someone who was another "expert" quoting his research, and when the truth came out, his research amounted to a simple search of the internet the day before, but he made it sound like a life long research project. Bullshit artist is a good term for it. Thats whats wrong with so much of the internet, it gets bounced around the world in hours, with no more credibility than a rumor mill at morning break at work, and it become Gospel the next day.

While I agree in theory with you, we all have to take what we hear with a grain of salt, but on the other hand doing what Cole does is a good example. He takes a story, and starts reading between the lines, and imagines some conspiracy, he is convinced of before finishing his morning coffee. He is doing it again right now with Ruppurt Murdock, leapfrogging this right onto the 911 conspiracy. People believe the biggest blowhards, when their mindset has been convinced we are lied to about everything. Ridiculas theories feed right into those minds, and those who do not swallow it, get branded as Nincomepoops. One also has to ask a few questions back, and the first one is who is this person blowing the smoke? What makes them the expert about it all, when you see them doing it about everything? Ever know a person who just talked and talked and told you endless bullshit stories, and the more polite you were, the deeper the stories got? You listen and say nothing, and the stories escalates to being Indiana Jones, and preforming on the flying trappese. They all of a sudden know everything from JFK, the Moon hoax, and 8 years inside the White House, all from a corn field town in Kansas.

Who is programed to believe what lies?

July 20, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote:

What is an online conspiracy person? How do they differ from an offline conspiracy person?

If some conspiracies were so ridiculous, why is so much time, money, and energy spent in refuting them?????????????????????? Further: why the stupid guilt by association tactics.??? Surely you must know...

Be proud, walk with your head held high............

............and hide behind a ficticious identity, don't tell anyone where you are from, and spread lies like a afternoon soap opera, if you are a real conspiracy expert. Laugh Laugh Laugh What ever you do, don;t let the neighbors know about your secret life as a armchair James bond. Laugh Laugh Laugh

LOL....Nice work there Greeney................shall I explain what toeing the line means in full detail, or will you plead the 5th? :boohoo:

Unlike some of your few posters, I'm of both sound mind and body...........the marker is just for kicks. I'm sure you knew that..................sad how some here run from the truth even as they claim to embrace it! 😉 Makes for good fun now doesn't it.

Be well my friend! I've some business down in Texas.................ever hear of Eagle Ford!

I'll check in form time to time..

Cole

July 21, 2011
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The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
Turn the other cheek
Love your enemy as you love yourself
Do unto others as you would have them do to you
These are simple truths..easy to grasp..yet so many feel the need to complicate them
nuff said
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Talk to them down in Texas like you talk to us on the board and let us know how that goes Cole. Laugh Laugh Laugh

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