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November 26, 2011
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The Los Angeles Walmart was the one nearest to me, in what we call Porter Ranch, a housing area of Northridge. Insanity.

Violence, pepper spray mars Black Friday shopping
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9 photos - Thu, Nov 24, 2011See latest photos »NEW YORK (Reuters) - A shopper pepper-sprayed other bargain hunters and robbers shot at customers to steal their Black Friday purchases, marring the start of the U.S. holiday shopping season, according to authorities.

Up to 20 people were injured after a woman used pepper spray at a Walmart in Los Angeles to get an edge on her competitors. In a second incident, off-duty officers in North Carolina used pepper spray to subdue rowdy shoppers waiting for electronics.

A man was in critical but stable condition after being shot by robbers in a parking lot outside a Walmart In San Leandro, California, at 1:50 a.m. (0950 GMT), Sergeant Mike Sobek said.

The man was in a group of men headed for their car after shopping when robbers confronted them and a fight ensued, Sobek said. The man's shopping companions held down one of the robbers until police arrived and took him into custody.

"It doesn't look like they got away with anything. They weren't expecting these guys to fight back," Sobek said.

In Los Angeles, authorities were reviewing security tapes to track down a woman in her 30s who pepper-sprayed a crowd at a Walmart as customers swarmed for Xboxes on sale late Thursday, Los Angeles police Sergeant J. Valle said.

"They were opening a package to try to get some Xboxes from a crate and this lady pepper-sprayed a whole bunch of people in order to gain an advantage over the Xboxes," Valle said.

Black Friday is the busiest day of the year for U.S. stores.

'SENSELESS ACT'

Off-duty police officers working as security for a Walmart in Kinston, North Carolina, used pepper spray to keep anxious shoppers at bay before the start of an electronics sale at midnight on Thursday, authorities said.

The already "rowdy" atmosphere intensified when employees began to bring out pallets of electronic merchandise, Kinston director of public safety Bill Johnson said.

When customers tried to grab merchandise from the pallets before the sale time, the off-duty officers hired as store security guards for the event discharged pepper spray to restore order, Johnson said. One man was arrested for failing to follow officers' orders, he said.

"No one was pepper sprayed in the face," Johnson said, adding that he was unaware of any injuries.

Walmart is the U.S. discount store unit of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. A company spokesman, Greg Rossiter, said violence at a handful of stores marred an otherwise safe start to the holiday shopping season at thousands of Walmart stores.

The San Leandro shooting "was a senseless act of violence and our thoughts and prayers are with the customer and his family during this difficult time," Rossiter said.

In another incident, a woman was shot in the foot by a robber who accosted her in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, early on Friday demanding her purse as she and companions put their purchases into a car trunk near a Walmart, police said.

The shopper was hospitalized. Her condition was not known.

A Cave Creek, Arizona, Walmart was evacuated and shopping halted temporarily Thursday night after an apparent explosive device was found in an employee break room, Maricopa County Sheriff's Department spokesman Christopher Hegstrom said.

"We sent a robot in," Hegstrom said, adding that the device was removed and the store was reopened after bomb squad dogs were sent through the facility.

In Manhattan, a group of shoppers upset that Hollister's flagship store was not opening at midnight like other locations apparently broke into the store and stole a large quantity of clothing, police said. No arrests have been made in the burglary.

(Reporting by Barbara Goldberg in New York, Harriet McLeod in South Carolina, Joe Rauch in North Carolina, Jessica Wohl and Eric Johnson in Chicago, Aman Ali from Ohio, Mary Slosson in Colorado; Editing by David Bailey and Paul Simao)

November 26, 2011
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can ya feel the love of the holiday season...

warms the cockels of my inner soul..how bout you greeney.. :wall: :crazy:

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November 27, 2011
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Some of you folks make me very gratified that I gave all this madness up years ago. IT seems that it is only waxing worse and worse.

The people I know who are sitting pretty in all this are the people who took the time to shop early ..like all year long so as not to subject themselves to this kind of man made madness. And I only know of a handful of these peoples smart enough to prepare well ahead of time.

I am trying to limit my trips out and about for the next month or so so as not to be subject to such "Wildlife in it's natural habitat."

With the exception of a possible trip to Northern California and up into Washington State...I plan to keep away from central and southern California if at all possible. I saw more than enough on my last trip to San Diego and LA.
On that last trip I wanted to see this place called La Brea Tarpits. But when I found out that we would be traveling from San Diego up into LA I decided not to go. You need NASCAR training to spend much time on the freeways out there. Wonder if it is the same in the Southern California Wal Marts???

In Southern California I prefer to go around well heeled. Hence I think I will pass on it.

Nonetheless...for the rest of you not so well prepared....enjoy the "Shopping Experience."

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November 27, 2011
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Evidently several Walmarts across the country( I herd 4-5 stories) had some major insodents with shoppers, and just to clarify, when I said "My Walmart", I only ment it was the Walmart closed to my home. I actually never shop at Walmart. I also can not understand why people flock to these places on this day, just becasue I can't understand the logic. Going when no parking places exist, fighting crowds, and waiting in line is not my thing. People go nuts over getting that "First out" anything. I would not stand in line, camping out, from 2 days before a sale, for anything.

More than anything Tom is people get into the spirit, and these insodents are definatly the rarity, and not the normality. Whats wrong with getting into the hustle and bustle of things, if you like to do that. It may be odd to many, including myself, but to many others they enjoy it. Personally, I try to find the least frequented time to go or do anything. But many of the mall goers, thieve on crowds.

About our Freeways, and California Roads, it can be a pretty scary experience if you are not use to it. I'm pretty sure you are from the Midwest, where roads are pretty much straight, and flat. The like highest point in the State of Ohio is under 1000'. California freeways are a system where you pretty much know where you are going in the first place. You see many signs when Freeways split, that are General directional, and if you are from back east, you don't know it. To us, the Freeway splits, we see "Bakersfield", "San Bernadino", "Santa Monica" Etc. but we are going to Fresno, Yucipa, or Marina Del Ray. Bionic knows what I'm talking about. We already know what bigger destinations we are near, and we know which direction to follow. Its not user friendly to others. We also have many canyon roads that connect many areas, so drivers have to be used to real NASCAR driving on those. Also flat landers get pretty intimidated by our mountain roads. We have it all in California.

Tom, The La Brea Tar Pits are interesting, but really one of those things Easterners hear about and want to see, like the Gramins Chinese Theater. Its actually a very nice display, and a real tar pit that they have recovered many prehistoric remains from. Its a ongoing geological site, I think part of USC, UCLA and other entities. It is also in downtown Los Angeles area, and at the Museum of Art location which is a spectacular museum. The Tar pits are a usual Los Angeles School system field trip. Its pretty neat actually.

November 27, 2011
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With the exception of a possible trip to Northern California and up into Washington State...I plan to keep away from central and southern California if at all possible. I saw more than enough on my last trip to San Diego and LA

Tom, there are many things to see in California. If you are interrested before you come I'd be glad to suggest some great things to see. Southern Cal, Central Cal, and Northern Cal. are all pretty vast, and each has many fantastic sites, both man made, and natural. I hope you at least got to see some of San Diego. Northern California is considered From San Francisco to the Oregon Border by the way. I have live here 50 years and have never been very far north of the Golden Gate Bridge.

November 27, 2011
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I never go shopping on Black Friday, as a rule

Yesterday we drove down the coast from Half Moon Bay to Santa Cruz..oh my Gawd..it was so beautiful
standing on cliffs overlooking the ocean in one direction..turn around and see the hills and the forest in the other direction..amazing

It was a beautiful day

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November 28, 2011
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I have no idea when the term "Black Friday was coined to describe this Event sociological. Do any of you know??

As I stated I make no plans to do any extensive shopping for the holidays. I have gone briefly for some materials at the local Home Depot and once to the Food Lion for groceries and I quickly got out...and back here.

Been doing repairs around here most of the weekend as we have had some windy days and it has played havoc with some of my Amateur Radio Antennas. I will be doing some pre staging of materials towards restringing them back up in the trees.

Yes Greeny2 I understood what you meant by "My Wal Mart." No problems there in translation. I have one Wal Mart or what we call "Wally World." However our local store has a horrid reputation for bad service and severe mental capabilities of not only the management but the staff at the registers as well.

There have also been problems with the local "Wildlife " getting carried away in the parking lots some time back. But they have security patrolling the lot in a truck at nights. Wondering how this is going to work out as the economy gets worse and prices begin running away.....soon??

At this Wally World I have actually gotten fed up and just left my cart in line when they get stupid with me. I've done it several times.

I just did the same thing at BJs Wholesalers the other day when they did the stupid thing and shut down the line and directed me to another open line. No thanks..I just left my cart with about $300.00 worth of stuff there in line and walked out.

My time is to valuable for such stupid at Wall Mart or any other store.

BJs in particular is not accustomed to people thinking outside the box.

"Keep to the right. Don't step on the grass. Paper or Plastic??" Not for me dude!!

The look on their face was "Priceless."

No time to check me out but time to put the stuff back on the shelves. You have to go to public school to get stupid enough to believe all of us think inside the box...and cannot step outside the same box when needed.

I have never enjoyed the "shopping experience." Working Haberdashery in a department store cured me of the "Shopping Experience!!" and long ago.

The "Shopping Experience" is not "holy ground" to me Highlander!!

As to the Southern part of California...in all fairness to Californians there were a few smaller towns and cities I found very nice. One of them was San Capistrano. I visited a Monastery or Monastery Museum there and it was very nice.
Most of us tend to think of California being one of the younger states..but here are older areas which go back to the Spanish days and have much antiquity to them.
Same thing here on the East Coast down in Florida and other places first settled by the Spanish. St Augustine is just such an city.

I should also in fairness tell you that large cities even here on the east coast in Virginia..do not impress me. I have little use for going to the capitol city here in Richmond...nor it's adjacent city Petersburg ..of civil war fame.

There are things there of history in which I am interested and go to see but other than that..I try to bypass these places as often as I can.

La brea tarpits is to me history. But not enough to brave the traffic.

Here in Richmond there is a Museum of fine arts and they have something on display there which is quite rare..even to see just one of these.

I am speaking of the Eggs of the Jeweler to the Czars...Carl Faberge.
It is very rare to see so many in one place and see the workmanship which went into them. Of course they have other pieces by Carl Faberge as well...snuff boxes, custom brush and comb sets, mirrors ..et al. But the eggs are fabulous as well as they are a part of history.

It was the same thing when I got to see the engine of the Civil War ship USS Monitor designed by John Erickson.

It was placed in the bottom of Dry Dock 10 with hoses of salt water spraying on it until its tank was finished up at the Mariners Museum further up in Newport News.

It was a type of thrill and a privilege to see it before it was made available to most of the public and know you are looking at a piece or page of history.

This engine ..just like the CSS submarine Hunley is sitting in a tank where the salt level is carefully reduced over time.

I was able to see the CSS Hunley as well..as part of my history search.
My first reaction to this was..."Holy S--t...they went out in this thing!!!"
It was much smaller than I had ever thought.
It also reminded me of something taken for granted or incorrectly assumed by many of us today.
What was reinforced to me was the overall smaller stature of people back then and it was not that long ago in a time scale...as time goes.
The size of the CSS Hunley made this clear to me.

Nonetheless..I like history and the Tar Pits are definitely history...if for no other reason than the number of complete ..intact skeletons found at that location. The critters which would normally eat and consume even the bones of most creatures are also preserved or prevented from the normal business of..."recycling."

But shopping ..is not history to me unless I am visiting antique stores or flea markets with olde stuff for sale.

If others want to brave the chaos and madness...bon appetit!!

Not for me thanks. I am with you on that one Greeny2. I am not that social a creature and my time is to valuable for such chaos. I'd rather spend my time in my Lazy Boy doing nothing.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

November 28, 2011
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Tom the monestary you visited in San Jaun Capistrano, is one of our California missions. The Mission system went from San Diego to San Francisco, and were from the early California history back to 1700's. Father Serrria was one of the main figures in our missions, and it is a mandtory study for 4th graders, the Missions. The Mission closest my me is the San Fernando Mission, where Mrs G2's Grandparents are buried. Several Earthquakes have damaged it, and they have been restored. The missions were approx a day travel apart. The mission you visited is famous for the Swallows returning to Capistrano every year on the same day, you probably have herd the song. All of the Missions are great places to visit.

Tom when you do get to Northern California, if you can be sure to see the Redwoods.

Bionic, was that the Montara lighthouse? My Mother and Father in Law lived about 1/4 mile from it until they passed away. They lived in Montara right next to a Army Navy surplus store, and a 711 kind of store that sold Gasoline also, if you saw that.

November 28, 2011
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Greeny2,

Yes...that was the name..San Juan Capistrano....yes..thank you Greeny2.

Now I remember the full name...thank you.

It was a very nice small town or city. It did not strike me as having alot of what I call ...the fast food lane of features.

As I recall with the woman who accompanied me..we stopped at a small family owned shop and had sandwich and coffee and a pastry....it was very good and peaceful there..quiet..just made to order.

And yes...one of the reasons we went there was to see the location of where the swallows stop every year. However we were told it was not quite time for them to return. But we got to see the place of legend and song.

I want to tell you another thing which struck me at the mission..was a model or diorama of coastal indian life.

It reminded me of the coastal Indians around here. Most of what we hear in the books and movies of this nation's Indians are the major tribes...Cree, Cherokee, Iroquois, Sioux, Cheyenne, Apache..et al. Most people know nothing of the coastal Indian tribes of which there were many ..on both coasts.

Around here they were not only hunters but boat builders and fishermen for their sustenance.

The diorama reminded me of what I had read of coastal tribes. Around here there are still survivors of a coastal Indian tribe called Mattaponi.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... /Mattaponi

Well ..I still remember the diorama of coastal Indian tribes and their way of life.

I was also statled some time back to see a USA map of this land sectioned out by the Indian tribes , their names, and their territories/ranges at the time before the White man changed the history across this land. It was interesting to see their respective territories and the names of Indian tribes of which I was not familiar or had never before heard.

And yes..definitely . a trip to see the Redwoods is in the plans when time allows.
For they too are history with every annual ring around their trunks.

Thanks,
Orangetom

November 28, 2011
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There is so much to see in this state Tom, it really has everything. Our coast is the most picturesque of any coast. The highest and lowest points in Continental USA are in California. My Daughter lives near the second lowest in the hottest part of the Desert, next to death Valley. Near the Salton Sea. Our Serria Nevada mountains are as spectacular if not more so, than the Rocky Mountians. Sequoia, Kings Cyn. National Parks, Yosemite, Humbolt, Lassen National Park, Death Valley National Park, we have it all. There is nothing like standing in the Groves of Giant Sequoias in Grant Grove or the General Sherman Tree Grove. The back country of the High Serrias is a breathtaking as it gets, thousands of lakes and streams. Yosemine Valley if you have never seen it is great.

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