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Multiculturalism: A Failure in Germany, France
October 18, 2010
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Most of this seems to have Muslim immgrants--unwilling to assimilate into their host country's culture, no surprise--being the root cause of problems and controversy.

The point I'd like to make is, I hope this is the beginning of the entire civilized world getting up the courage to call a spade a spade. Islam is not going to assimilate into any Western society and that's just a fact. And what that means is, as the Muslim population grows bigger and bigger within your country, expect that either (a) your laws are going to change to suit them, or (b) you're going to have major problems and violent outbreaks.

We all know that France recently outlawed the burka, deeming it socially unacceptable. And now this from Germany:

German Chancellor Angela Merkel Slams Multiculturalism
Monday October 18, 2010
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Addressing members of the country's conservative Christian Democratic Union, Merkel deemed multiculturalism a failure and said that immigrants to Germany need to assimilate or get out, AFP reported.

"We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here," she said.
For real? I can't even imagine, say, Christine O'Donnell--purportedly one of America's most religious political candidates--making such a sweeping statement against the non-Christians in the States. Any American politician who would make such a statement would be branded a bigot and forced to apologize, but apparently Merkel felt that she could make such an assertion without generating a backlash.

Evidently, her statements are aimed at Germany's 2.5-million Turkish community. And Merkel's not the only German dignitary who takes issue with this immigrant population. Horst Seehofer, the leader of the Christian Democratic Union's sister party reportedly said Germany did not "need more immigrants from different cultures like the Turks and Arabs" who are "more difficult" to integrate, according to AFP. Moreover, back in August, Thilo Sarrazin, then a member of Germany's central bank, stirred controversy by saying that uneducated and unproductive Muslim migrants wearing headscarves were making Germany "more stupid." While Sarrazin resigned after the controversy, a new study by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation indicates that many Germans share similar views. The study revealed some disturbing findings:

•One-third of Germans think foreigners are overrunning the country.

•One-third of Germans think foreigners should be sent home when unemployment is high.

•Nearly 60 percent of the 2,411 Germans polled think that limits should be imposed on Muslims' religious freedom.

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October 19, 2010
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So, the Catholics assimilate any better in this country?

This isn't about religion.

I'd suggest this is political and caused by socialized money. The Africans in France move there for free housing, free food, etc. Same with all the other countries in Europe, including Germany. Gee...maybe that's why the US had "boat people" and why we have illegal immigration today?

Please, take your religion out of my politics. 😛

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

October 19, 2010
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Sorry, but all the hoopla in Germany(5% Muslim and growing) and France(6% Muslim and growing) has at its roots, the native citizens in an uproar.

Notice the German Chancellor saying that multiculturalism has completely failed. In another quote I heard on the news, she cited Muslims living side by side with non-Muslims not working out at all. Germany has conceded the error in opening their borders to Muslims.

France recently outlawed the burka and has the radical/Orthodox Muslims very upset. And now, recent dependable intelligence from multiple sources shows that France is going to be the target of Muslim attacks in backlash to their recent lack of support for Muslims. France has made these intelligences public--not for propaganda purposes--but in a last ditched, desperate attempt at diffusing the situation; hoping that the radicals won't attack if their plans are made public.

This is just the beginning in my opinion.

I think the civilized world is just getting plain sick and tired of having to spend millions if not billions keeping their security on the ready 24x7, because angry Muslims are liable to strike at any given moment.

In a word, Muslim terrorism has succeeded. The world outside Islamic countries is officially terrorized.

I wonder--could this endless cycle of violence, threats of violence, and over-the-top layers of security taking huge chunks of economies... could it ever possibly end? I don't see how.

Well, I do see how, but that opinion should be reserved for the religious forum for sure. 😉

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October 19, 2010
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I think it is interesting you're siding with European elites on this matter, frrostedman. It is important to recognize, however, that Europe, after World War II, entered into a different social paradigm in regards to race, culture and heritage. In essence, European countries used to be overtly discriminatory towards Jews, but that has transmuted to overt discrimination against Arabs (including Muslims). One will note how French police routinely murder immigrants from Algeria and other places. It is another excuse for the Europeans to adopt austerity measures (very akin to the U.S. anti-immigration fervor recently exploited by candidates for the 2010 midterm elections) and they are scapegoating minorities in order to distract people from the fact that European governments have failed citizens. You're playing to their hands pretty nicely, Frrostedman. In some sense, you are correct; FEAR is often a successful tool.

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October 19, 2010
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"Aquarian" wrote: I think it is interesting you're siding with European elites on this matter, frrostedman. It is important to recognize, however, that Europe, after World War II, entered into a different social paradigm in regards to race, culture and heritage. In essence, European countries used to be overtly discriminatory towards Jews, but that has transmuted to overt discrimination against Arabs (including Muslims). One will note how French police routinely murder immigrants from Algeria and other places. It is another excuse for the Europeans to adopt austerity measures (very akin to the U.S. anti-immigration fervor recently exploited by candidates for the 2010 midterm elections) and they are scapegoating minorities in order to distract people from the fact that European governments have failed citizens. You're playing to their hands pretty nicely, Frrostedman. In some sense, you are correct; FEAR is often a successful tool.

I'm not "playing into their hands" Aquarian. My opinion hasn't changed since the beginning. And I'm not siding with the elites, I'm siding with the ever-growing majority within their citizenry.

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October 19, 2010
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Constructed by anti-immigrant European leaders no less. It's comedic how these E.U. leaders claim to be "with the majority" of their citizenry when France, Germany, Italy, among other countries are experiencing wave after wave of rioting which has very little to do with people who are interested with inflaming nationalistic and hostile passions towards Arabs. Instead, it has to do with how the European ruling-class is adopting measures that harm workers in order to preserve the stability of the aristocratic financial order; a demonstration we saw very clearly with Greece.

The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.
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October 19, 2010
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I am not surprised that you side with the rioting Grecian workers.

Their government has gone completely broke letting them live the life of Reilly; the money is gone; and the coddled, pampered, and spoon-fed workers have been asked to chip in and help.

The reaction? Well of course! Burn the cities to the ground!

Brilliant.

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October 19, 2010
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Shatter the Matrix that we live in and take the Red Pill. :mrgreen:

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October 19, 2010
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The money has run out in all but just a couple of countries; Greece is the just the beginning. We will all be asked to tighten our belts and give a little more.

The American workforce has most definitely been asked. The work week has been extended to 10 and 12 hours a day, 6 days a week or more. And in many cases that's with the pay going down as well.

It ain't pretty but we never had it like the Greeks did. They had it totally made.

Greece is just an example of how a country, unless it has an abundance of some resource the whole world would pay dearly for, actually counts on production from its people in order to survive.

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