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Mexico is real safe alright!
August 23, 2010
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This is for you Aquarian, who thinks the borders of Mexico are not affected by Mexican drug traffic. 28,000 killed since 2006 due to drug violence, and you want to just legalize all drugs. Its all over Mexico, and concentrated on border towns, and part of the illegals entering the USA. The 14 year old kid you cried about was part of the drug cartels, and human trafficing.

4 decapitated bodies hung from bridge in Mexico
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CUERNAVACA, Mexico – The decapitated bodies of four men were hung from a bridge Sunday in this central Mexican city besieged by fighting between two drug lords.

A gang led by kingpin Hector Beltran Leyva took responsibility for the killings in a message left with the bodies, the attorney general's office of Morelos state said in a statement.

The beheaded and mutilated bodies were hung by their feet early Sunday from the bridge in Cuernavaca, a popular weekend getaway for Mexico City residents.

Cuernavaca has become a battleground for control of the Beltran Leyva cartel since its leader, Arturo Beltran Leyva, was killed there in a December shootout with marines.

Mexican authorities say the cartel split between a faction led by Hector Beltran Leyva, brother of Arturo, and another led by Edgar Valdez Villarreal, a U.S.-born kingpin known as "the Barbie."

The message left with the bodies threatened: "This is what will happen to all those who support the traitor Edgar Valdez Villarreal."

Authorities said the four men had been kidnapped days earlier. The family of one of the men reported the abduction to police.

In western Mexico, police found the body of a U.S. citizen inside a car along the highway between the Pacific resorts of Acapulco and Zihuatanejo.

A report from Guerrero state police said the man was shot to death and had identification indicating he was from Georgia.

The U.S. Embassy could not be reached to confirm the man's identity.

Police said they had no suspects and had not determined a motive.

Guerrero state has been wracked by drug-gang violence, including the strife within the Beltran Leyva cartel. There have also been a series of deadly carjackings this year along highways in the state.

Mexico has seen unprecedented gang violence since President Felipe Calderon stepped up the fight against drug trafficking when he took office in December 2006, deploying thousands of troops and federal police to cartel strongholds.

Since then, more than 28,000 people have been killed in violence tied to Mexico's drug war.

(This version CORRECTS tate where Cuernavaca is located to Morelos instead of state of Mexico, corrects the second family name of `Barbie' to Villarreal instead of Villareal.)

August 23, 2010
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Agreed Greeney.

I do believe there is a solution to this. Legalize drugs, all drugs. After all Bayer used to market heroine and the CIA is currently growing and selling heroine. One doesn't need to condone the use, but the "laws" don't prevent the use, we still have heroin addicts. So, legalize drugs in this country and legalize guns in Mexico. I know that is a recipe to reduce crime. 😉

Nevermind, we can't do that, that would compete with the feds. After all Xe, formally known as Blackwater is doing lot's of illegal things again. Yawn...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/2 ... 89831.html

If I sold illegal arms to Afghanistan I'd be in prison, but not blackwater...um...Xe...

Maybe that is where the Mexicans got their guns and helicopters too? I know I can't buy them locally.

Oh...did I say that out loud? My bad.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

August 23, 2010
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Agreed Greeney.

My God, we are rubbing off on each other! Laugh

August 23, 2010
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Those 28,000 dead and the ongoing violence is due to the criminalization of drugs. Which, if taken into consideration, would be something I would agree with Nesaie in, not you with her. You don't believe that's the answer, right? Even though a criminalization of something creates underground markets for it? And thus, mafia rings? Organized crime? The first step in combating the violence that has been so rampant in Mexico is the fact that we are letting drug lords dictate the price of the drugs they peddle and all the lucrative machinations along with it...

The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

August 23, 2010
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So according to your logic, and they will not attack someone who can fight back( well may be not you) , when a drug crazed maniac breaks into your parents house, and shots them execution style to rob them for drugs, you will advocate legalizing drugs, or wiping our the drug cartels?

August 23, 2010
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I don't think it's just about drugs. it's about old wars and grudges. The haves vs. the have nots. Corruption.
etc...
There is a war , or quasi war coming along the Mexican/USA border.
Greeney knows, as any of us living in that area know. We see..we see whats coming. what's already arrived, unnoficially. it's a culture war..startign at the borders..but spreading throughout.
Old vs. new vs. old...and on and on...

THis is one reason minnesota is looking okayish to me, to be honest..as much a I LOVE California (and will miss it like an old friend for the rest of my life)

I see the trouble brewing.
It's right up there with the ''Muslin vs. Infadel" culture war going on.

there is a serious clash of cultures coming and laready here..to be honest

blaim the USA, Blaim old England..blaim older Rome
balme "Empire"... blaim imperialism...

it's old "bad blood"

chickens coming home to roost

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

August 24, 2010
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"greeney2" wrote:

Agreed Greeney.

My God, we are rubbing off on each other! Laugh

Scary ain't it? It must be the end of the world as we know it. Frosty agreed with something I said in the religion forum a short bit back. 😮

Next thing you know, dogs and cats will be together, etc.

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August 24, 2010
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Before nafta, many of the illegals had resources, AKA land. They were farmers. These corporations passed nafta and stole their land. I don't have a problem with immigrants who are honest and just want to work, that is my ancestry as well. I have a problem with murder, rape and control that the drug dealers do. If it weren't for fdr and his bloody socialism, immigration would have never been an issue.

BTW, for all you Californians, I hope to God you guys pass your legalize pot initiative! Put the farmers back to work and we don't have to import hemp and hemp seeds any more. In WA we have to try again next year. 🙁

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

August 25, 2010
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I don't have a problem with immigrants who are honest and just want to work, that is my ancestry as well.

I actually agree with you, for several reasons. First, Mrs. G2's grandfather came from Spain, but entered legally through Ellis Island, so I do have some conflict about sneeking in. That aside, those here illegally to work are really doing hard backbreaking work, that truthfully, most people really do not want those jobs. If they did, you would see half the people at the Home Depot looking for day work would be White people and African Americans out of work, but you never ever see a single one. Why is that??? WE have millions out of work, do you see them at HD shagging a days work? Or do you see an illegal mexican standing at a freeway offramp holding a "help me, veteran" cardboard sign. The answer is Never, they are out finding work nobody else wants.

I've hired a few to do some digging and other work I could not do, and they were the nicest guys you could meet, worked their asses off so hard, I bought them lunch, drove them home and gave them more money than they asked for. ($10 per hour). My daughter probably teaches kids that are over half of them from illegal families. She has actually given boxes of crayolas to kids who have never seen them before, so gave extra boxes to take home for siblings. My kids both have made several very close friends in the restraunt business of people here working. The guy I hired, sent his money home to Mexico to take care of his family. He brought his younger brother also to work, and he did whatever big brother told him to do. My daughter had a wrought iron guy do a bunch of gates for her, and when they came, the crew included the guys 10 year old, who he was teaching and was working. He was working too, and the Dad was teaching him from a very young age what working really is. Not too sure if child labor laws would agree, but the kid was not doing things that would hurt him, but when he is 20 will be a hard working wrought iron expert, not sitting on his ass playing video games.

August 25, 2010
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Here is another one.

72 bodies found on Mexico ranch
Buzz up!11 votes ShareretweetEmailPrint AFP/File – Mexican soldiers patrol after an anti-drug operation in July 2010. A shootout in Mexico, across from … by Guillermo Barros Guillermo Barros – 2 hrs 13 mins ago
MEXICO CITY (AFP) – A shootout in Mexico, across from Texas, uncovered what appeared to be the largest body dumping ground since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive on warring drug gangs in 2006.

Navy troops found 72 bodies -- 58 men and 14 women -- after clashes with armed attackers in which one marine and three gunmen were killed, the military said early Wednesday.

The clashes, near the small town of San Fernando in Tamaulipas state, started after an injured man appeared at a marine roadside checkpoint seeking medical help, saying he had been attacked at a nearby ranch.

Marines said they were fired on as approached the ranch with military air support, a statement said.

Officials did not reveal the victims' identities or whether the bodies had been buried.

It was also unclear whether they had been killed at the same time.

Tamaulipas is among Mexico's most violent states, in the far northeast of the country.

It has recently seen scores of brutal clashes between the Gulf drug gang and its former allies, the Zetas, over control of trafficking routes into the United States.

The raid on the ranch netted one "underage suspect," but the rest of the gunmen who survived managed to escape.

The military seized 21 rifles, some 6,600 cartridges, and four trucks including one bearing fake defense ministry markings, the navy said.

The find was the latest mass dumping of bodies uncovered in recent months, as the death toll spirals in Mexico's drug-related violence.

More than 28,000 people have died since 2006, when Calderon began deploying some 50,000 troops to tackle organized crime.

Authorities blame drug gangs, known for beheading and hanging their rivals, for also piling bodies in dumping grounds.

In June, 55 bodies were removed from an abandoned mine near Taxco, a colonial city popular with tourists, in the southern state of Guerrero.

In July, investigators found 51 corpses in a residential area on the outskirts of Monterrey, the capital of the northern state of Nuevo Leon.

The ranch where the latest bodies were discovered is a few dozen miles (kilometers) from the US border.

Last week Calderon accused the US government of failing to forcefully tackle drug addiction in the United States and neglecting to rein in the arms industry -- two key elements in tackling Mexican drug trafficking.

Calderon has repeatedly said that arms trafficked across the border from the United States supply Mexico's brutal drug gangs with the weapons they use in gruesome violence that has claimed thousands of Mexican lives.

As the pressure increases on the US side, Texas officials, including Governor Rick Perry, have complained that at least twice in the last two months, bullets believed to be gun battles in Mexico have hit buildings in the US state.

Perry said the federal government's failure to reinforce the border with Mexico was endangering US lives.

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