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London Wracked By 3 Days Of Rioting !!!
August 8, 2011
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London riots: Violence erupts for third day

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Community activist Sharon Grant: "Stay off the streets... enough is enough"

Riot police have again been deployed to the streets of London as violence broke out for a third day running.

Officers have clashed with rioters in Hackney, Peckham and Lewisham where vehicles have been set on fire.

It follows two nights of violence over the weekend which started after police shot a man dead in Tottenham.

London's mayor Boris Johnson is cutting short his holiday to return to the city, where more than 200 people have been arrested and 35 officers injured. Home Secretary Theresa May also returned early from holiday, to meet Acting Metropolitan Police (Met) Commissioner Tim Godwin and other senior officers. 'Totally unacceptable'

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh said they discussed the police response to the violence.

He said: "They were looking at preparations for tonight (Monday) to make sure any violence is dealt with quickly."

Theresa May: London rioters 'will be brought to justice'. Mrs May condemned the riots as "sheer criminality" and said those responsible would "face the consequences of their actions". She said: "The riots in Tottenham on Saturday night and the subsequent disturbances in other parts of London are totally unacceptable." She also paid tribute to the bravery of police officers and urged local communities "to work constructively with the police to help them bring these criminals to justice".

Mrs May said at least 215 people had been arrested and 25 people charged.

A peaceful protest in Tottenham on Saturday over the fatal shooting by police of Mark Duggan, 29, was followed by violence which spread into Sunday.A candlelit vigil was due to be held at The High Cross in Tottenham on Monday evening.

A BBC journalist said the latest violence started in Mare Street, Hackney, when a man was stopped and searched by police but nothing was found.Riot vans were drafted in and there are up to 200 police officers in riot gear in the Hackney area.Groups of people began attacking the police at about 16:20 BST, throwing rocks and a bin at officers. In a lane off Mare Street the wreckage of a burnt-out car still smoulders, surrounded by riot police.

At least for now, the violence in this half of London seems to have abated. I was talking to one young man who had received on his BlackBerry a list of places where he said there will be further trouble tonight.

He didn't tell me which places and stressed it is speculation. But he and a friend told me frustration with poverty in the area was boiling over.On Mare Street there is the sound of crunching as police vans run over broken glass. Much of it from a bottle bank which was overturned providing makeshift missiles for rioters who lobbed the bottles at police.

Police cars were also smashed by youths armed with wooden poles and metal bars.Looters also smashed their way into shops, including a JD Sports store, before being dispersed by police.Planks of wood taken from a lorry were then hurled towards lines of riot officers.

Violence has also broken out in Peckham, south London, where a shop and a bus have been set on fire.In nearby Lewisham, footage showed a number of vehicles and a trail of bins on fire.Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh said there were "significant resources" on the streets, with a third more officers on duty than on Sunday.

He said: "What we can see is that the Metropolitan Police are getting police officers there in numbers."When we have large numbers of criminals intent on that type of violence, we can only do that, get lots of officers there quickly and try to protect local businesses and local people."He also admitted relations with the family of the man shot dead by police could have been handled better.

Mr Kavanagh said: "I want to apologise to the Duggan family because I think both the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commission) and the Metropolitan Police could have managed that family's needs more effectively."

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August 8, 2011
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God help us if these riots over economic reasons spreads worldwide. This was part of the reasons for Egypt and Lybia overthrowing the rechimes. More and more countries are fed up with the course we are on, and telling the government to fix the problem. I know in the USA just about everyone is fed up to the gills with Washington and their game of tossing the ball back and forth. Tired of hearing the same song from both sides, and tired of Obama blaming Bush still.

Obama and the Democrats have run this economy into the ground, with bad decisions, and ideas that did not work. Adding more to the deficiet than Bush ever did, they own the White House and Congress, lock, stock, and barrel. The Democrats wanted the control, they got it, and this is the results. The USA rating flops, and the asian stock market took a dump right away. If we are so weak and China is the stronger now, why would the asian market tank?

When the United States fails, it affects the entire world, so Washington better think of something and do it now. If London turns into other big cities following, and we loose control, it could spiral into total anarchy, it we can't control the riots. The gangs and bad guys are so heavily armed, and without police be effective, it could get real ugly fast. Something that could resemble the movie, 'Escape from New York City", would not be far fetched, multiplied by every major city in the nation, is real scary. If we ever reach total anarchy, how could we ever pull out of that? We could become a totally lawless society, totally overrun by those with the biggest guns.

August 8, 2011
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Exactly John Sr......

There are reports of rioting now in Paris and there are stories about Gangs beating upon people attending the Wisconsin State Fair

Looks like we are truly in the end times as described in the Book Of Revelation and Book Of Mormon.

It's going to be very interesting up to November 2012 at this rate

These riots were about race. Why ignore the fact?

A Related News Blog From The Daily Telegraph

By Katharine Birbalsingh August 7th, 2011

What colour is Mark Duggan? Mark Duggan is the man who was shot dead by the police on Thursday in Tottenham. The Tottenham riots last night were sparked when people protested his death. This morning, I first heard of the riots on the radio, then on the television. I read articles on the internet. But oddly, no one would say what colour Mark Duggan was. No one would say the unsayable, that the rioters were, I suspect on the whole, black. Then, finally, Toby Young’s Telegraph blog post on the riots was published. Is Toby Young the only journalist out there who will dare say that these riots are about race?

Still, one paper did carry a photo of Mr Duggan. When I saw the photo, it confirmed what I knew instinctively: black youths once again have set London alight.

Some of the black kids I used to teach will tell you that the riots are absolutely justified. A number of adults would agree with them. Everywhere I read that the protest was understandable because “people are very angry”.

I’d like to know what they’re angry about. Mark Duggan is dead. He was shot by the police in a shootout. Duggan was in a minicab and shots were fired from both the cab and the police elsewhere. A police officer was hurt in the incident and a bullet was found lodged in a police radio. Either Duggan was shooting at the police or the driver of the minicab was. Either Duggan was in the wrong place at the wrong time and his death is a terrible tragedy – he was caught in the crossfire – or he shot at the police and the police defended themselves. Whatever the explanation, the police did not kill this man in cold blood.

Yet, a friend of Duggan who gave her name as Niki, 53, said marchers had wanted “justice for the family” and “something had to be done”. She said some of them lay in the road to make their point. “They’re making their presence known because people are not happy. This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things but he was not an aggressive person. He had never hurt anyone.”

I wonder what “involved in things” means? I also wonder whether the police officer who was hurt at the scene believes Mark Duggan never hurt anyone. “Something had to be done”? She makes it sound as if the police are killing black people every other weekend and finally someone decided to take a stand.

At school I remember watching a presentation given to the kids by Trident, the Metropolitan Police Service unit set up to investigate and inform communities of gun crime in London’s black community. I didn’t know what Trident was then, and it struck me that all of the photos of people shot (the idea was to scare the kids) were black. So at the end, I approached one of the policemen and asked him what percentage of those involved in gun crime were black. I kid you not, but my question made this thirty-something white man who was, after all, trained to deal with the black community and its issues, turn pink.

He explained that about 80 per cent of gun crime took place in the black community. I smiled uncomfortably. But no, he said, it was worse than that. Then he told me that 80 per cent was black on black gun crime, and that of the remaining 20 per cent about 75 per cent involved at least one black person: black shooting white, or white shooting black. I pushed to know more. While he kept saying his stats were crude and he didn’t have scientific numbers, on the whole the whites who were involved in these shootings tended to be from Eastern Europe.

Was any of this ever mentioned in their presentation? Of course not. Just like the news about the Tottenham riots doesn’t mention race either.

Problems cannot be addressed unless people are willing to tell the truth. As with so many other things in this country, we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to speak out about it.

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August 9, 2011
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UK riots: 16,000 officers policing London's streets
Some 16,000 officers will police London's streets in a bid to prevent a fourth night of rioting.

The Met Police has cancelled leave and drafted in support from 30 forces.

Shops and businesses in some areas are closing early in a bid to avoid the kind of violence and looting that spread through London on Monday.

PM David Cameron has pledged to restore order, recalling Parliament on Thursday in response to the "sickening scenes", which prompted unrest in other cities.

The Metropolitan force has released what it says will be the "first of many" CCTV images of rioting suspects, while 32 people have appeared in court charged with offences such as burglary and criminal damage during the previous riots.

Two 17-year-olds said they were "showing police and rich people they could do whatever they wanted".

Among them were a graphic designer, college students, a youth worker, a university graduate and a man signed up to join the army. Some gave non-London addresses. Eighteen were remanded in custody.

So far 563 people have been arrested and 105 charged in connection with violence in the capital.

Some 111 police officers have suffered injuries including serous head and eye wounds, cuts and fractured bones after being attacked by rioters wielding bottles, planks, bricks and even driving cars at them. Five police dogs have also been hurt.

However, the force has drafted in special constables and community support officers to ensure five times the usual number of officers for a Tuesday will be on duty. Similar staffing levels will be maintained over three days.

Meanwhile, Scotland Yard said a 26-year-old man found shot in a car in Croydon, amid rioting in the south London town, had died in hospital.

Highbury Corner Magistrates Court has dealt with a large number of cases arising from the riots in north London.

Those who appeared this afternoon were all male and generally in their 20s, although there were some youths.

Charges were most commonly burglary and criminal damage. There were a large number of guilty pleas entered.

The magistrates said that their powers of punishment were insufficient in the light of the fact that the offences were committed during a riot, which amounted to a "substantial aggravating feature".

A significant number of those charged were said in court to be of previously good character and had simply been drawn in to the offending.

In one defendant's case, a lawyer described his client as offending in "a moment of madness".

Mr Cameron met officers in the Met Police's Gold command in Lambeth on Tuesday afternoon, before speaking to emergency service personnel in Croydon.

He condemned the "sickening scenes of people looting, vandalising, thieving, robbing".

He told rioters: "You will feel the full force of the law. And if you are old enough to commit these crimes, you are old enough to face the punishment."

The recall of Parliament will allow MPs to "stand together in condemnation of these crimes and to stand together in determination to rebuild these communities", he said.

The prime minister returned early from his holiday in Tuscany to discuss the unrest, which first flared on Saturday after a peaceful protest in Tottenham over the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan, 29, by police.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said on Tuesday that ballistic tests presented "no evidence" that a handgun found at the scene where Mr Duggan was killed had been fired at officers.

London has seen a wave of "copycat criminal activity" since the initial disturbance, the Met Police said.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh said the use of plastic bullets - never before fired to deal with riots in England - would be "considered carefully" in the event of further disorder.
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But he added: "That does not mean we are scared of using any tactic."

Acting Commissioner Tim Godwin had earlier ruled out calling in the Army.

Officers believe some rioters have used BlackBerry Messenger - a service allowing users to send free real-time messages - to organise violence.

Clapham resident Nick Shaw escaped unhurt from his home which was set ablaze

Meanwhile, two 18-year-olds were arrested in Folkestone, Kent, and a 16-year-old was being questioned in Glasgow on suspicion of inciting violence through internet social networking sites.

Tuesday evening has brought reports of a disturbance in Salford, Greater Manchester, where 70 to 80 young people are in a stand-off with police and a building has been set alight.

Youths in West Bromwich have smashed shop windows and set cars alight, while riot police are surrounding Birmingham's Mailbox high-end shopping building.

Around London, stores in Peckham, Rotherhithe, Ealing and Hackney were reported to have closed early. Some small theatres in the capital also cancelled performances, although West End productions were scheduled to go ahead.

Developments related to Monday's disturbances included:

Violence and looting reported across London, including in Hackney, Croydon, Clapham Junction, Peckham, Lewisham, Stratford and Ealing

Three people being questioned on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was injured by a car in Wembley, north-west London, while trying to stop suspected looters

Buildings set alight in several areas, including Croydon where part of the Tramlink service was suspended
In Birmingham, 138 people were arrested after scores of youths smashed windows and looted shops in the shopping area
West Midlands Police said a police station in Holyhead Road in Handsworth, Birmingham, was set alight
Up to 200 youths with masks roamed through Toxteth in Liverpool, while Bristol police said they dealt with outbreaks of disorder involving about 150 people
A Nottinghamshire police station was attacked in the St Ann's area and 200 tyres were set alight in the street
Police dealt with "small pockets of disorder" in the Chapeltown area of Leeds

The Association of British Insurers says the damage is likely to cost insurers "tens of millions of pounds".

Monday's violence started in Hackney, north London, at about 16:20 BST after a man was stopped and searched by police, who found nothing.

Groups of people began attacking officers, wrecking cars with wooden poles and metal bars, and looting shops. Violence then flared separately in other parts of the capital.
'No justification'

Mayor of London Boris Johnson, who also cut short a holiday to return, was heckled by the members of the public while viewing damage in Clapham Junction on Tuesday.

Some people have complained there have been too few police to deal with the violence.

Mr Johnson told those gathered that those responsible for the violence "face punishment they will bitterly, bitterly regret".

However, when challenged to do more for communities, Mr Johnson rejected "economic or social justifications" for the violence.
Map showing riot locations

The Met said Monday's was "the worst" disorder in "current memory" after incidents across the capital.

It has led to sporting disruption, with Tuesday's Carling Cup matches at Charlton, West Ham, Crystal Palace and Bristol City postponed at the police's request.

England and Holland's friendly at Wembley on Wednesday has also been called off.

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August 9, 2011
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Its probably Nigfis lighting fires because he got banned. Laugh

August 13, 2011
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Recently, the British Parliament demanded the violent repression of these youth riots.

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These riots, like riots in Greece and other places in the Middle-East (and the rise of anti-government protests in Syria) demonstrate the desperation of the disenfranchised and oppressed. The ruling classes are fighting hard for austerity measures and many people are fed up with. The dropping of credit rating by S&P in the U.S. will inch us more towards a chaotic route as Congress wrangles over which Party will give off the impression of who fights for the average American (a debate inherently fraudulent in nature to begin with). Congress already acquiesced to the demands of the rich and Wall Street with this debt deal, and if Washington D.C. continues to succumb to more of these factions like Standard and Poor; an institution calling for austerity and slash in the corporate tax rate, people will spill onto the streets eventually. This is what is happening in the UK right now, except that they are also responding to increased instances of police brutality by the British police against immigrant communities and the poor. The inner-city areas are basically on police shut down and the police killing of that 29 year old last Thursday only serves to intimidate the masses.

This is from the article:

As one young person interviewed on Sky TV noted, “The politicians say that we loot and rob. They are the original gangsters. They talk about copycat crimes. They’re the ones that’s looting, they’re the originals.”

According to the government, however, it is only working class youth—the victims of this criminality on the part of the ruling elite—that should feel the “full force of the law” when their justifiable anger erupts.

Pledging that “nothing is off the table”, Cameron announced that the police swamping operation in the inner-cities—16,000 in London alone—is to be extended to the weekend, and that an emergency reserve of riot police is on standby.

Plastic bullets were already authorised for use, and contingency plans were in place to deploy water cannon at 24 hours’ notice if necessary.

How are those intelligent, democratic responses to genuine working-class concerns; concerns which, quite frankly, arise because of corrupt government actions and policies?

I don't doubt that this will occur in the U.S. very soon as the economy continues to plunge. Perhaps this is their Grand Plan...to eventually round up hundreds of thousands of us and place us in internment camps.

The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.
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August 13, 2011
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What do you think we should do with those who riot, burn businesses, and loot the stores all over town? I think I'm the oppressed one when I pay for what I have, buy it honestly after working for it, and some kid kicks in the window and steals a new Plama TV, saying he is just oppressed.
It would be one thing if they broke into a super market and stole a cart full of food, diapers, nessesary things for life, but they are taking armfuls of booze, cigarettes, and essentials like video games.
Its just a big bullshit excuse to steal what isn't yours. I watched the Watts Riots, and the South Central Riots after the Rodney King police trials. Bunch of jerks looting and stealing, taking whatever they wanted, and didn't need. They thought nothing of stealing millions of dollars in inventory form stores who had nothing to do with any issue. They did the same thing in Katrina, taking TV's, appliances, and nobody was ashamed the cameras were rolling on them, when they took stuff. Absolutly no shame whatsoever in their faces, they actually acted like it was their right to do it.

Thats what is happening in London, and it has nothing to do with world affairs. These are not people who have worn out a year of job applications, they are just thiefs, not caring what they steal. The are not starving people raising a family, or homeless. Don't make excuses for it, or call it anymore than it is. The ignorance of looting when riot gets out of control, its stealing, its taking advantage of those when they are down. The doors already kicked in, might as well just help myself, becasue someone else will anyway.

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the whole mess has me heartsick(particulalry because it involves my birthland)..if people could just sit at a table with each other and work out their differences

I swear..bygones should let bygones, be bygones

I am so sick of extremist thinking..whichever direction it goes..it's the same energy..that of extremism

why do not more people realize this????????

same energy..different versions..still..same energy

extremism (drien mainly by ego)

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What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
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August 14, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: Its probably Nigfis lighting fires because he got banned. Laugh

NAAAAAH He's too busy stalking John Barrowman on the set of TORCHWOOD in Cardiff.... Laugh

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What do you think we should do with those who riot, burn businesses, and loot the stores all over town? I think I'm the oppressed one when I pay for what I have, buy it honestly after working for it, and some kid kicks in the window and steals a new Plama TV, saying he is just oppressed.

Well, I know police brutality, nor measures like the one Parliament passed is the appropriate response. There are clearly deeply ingrained issues that need to be worked with and obviously, using the same tired methods of incarceration and brutality are finally confronting the ebbs of desperation and resistance. There are issues that are afflicting the citizenry over there and it's not opportunistic as the media narrative likes to formulate. Like here, there has been ongoing parasitic attempts by the ruling financial elite to LOOT the public monies by gutting and privatizing health services.

It would be one thing if they broke into a super market and stole a cart full of food, diapers, nessesary things for life, but they are taking armfuls of booze, cigarettes, and essentials like video games.
Its just a big bullshit excuse to steal what isn't yours. I watched the Watts Riots, and the South Central Riots after the Rodney King police trials. Bunch of jerks looting and stealing, taking whatever they wanted, and didn't need. They thought nothing of stealing millions of dollars in inventory form stores who had nothing to do with any issue. They did the same thing in Katrina, taking TV's, appliances, and nobody was ashamed the cameras were rolling on them, when they took stuff. Absolutly no shame whatsoever in their faces, they actually acted like it was their right to do it.

I'm sure that is what the Corporate Media wanted us to believe then. They tried to do the same thing during the post-Katrina fallout; paint a demeaning caricature of Katrina victims by insisting that hoards of them were looting, polluting, thieving, among other things. False stories about rapes and assaults at the New Orleans stadium. All of these are attempts to distract the population and convince us that there is no room for critical thinking involved. In-fact, if assertive questions are brought up, they are quickly redacted, humored, or simply ignored.

Thats what is happening in London, and it has nothing to do with world affairs. These are not people who have worn out a year of job applications, they are just thiefs, not caring what they steal. The are not starving people raising a family, or homeless. Don't make excuses for it, or call it anymore than it is. The ignorance of looting when riot gets out of control, its stealing, its taking advantage of those when they are down. The doors already kicked in, might as well just help myself, becasue someone else will anyway.

While I cannot with confidence safely say that 100% of those people have genuine concerns about the conditions over there, it seems to me that there are those who are 100% in asserting the opposite, which would be foolish. When the government prepares to impose draconian sanctions on people participating in demonstrations, that is all one needs to know to understand that the government is not interested in even BEGINNING to understand where this outpouring of anger is coming from.

Then again, San Francisco recently shut down cell phone service in order to avoid protests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_7x-rNd ... r_embedded

Why the demonizing of protest by the authority figures?

The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.
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