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Let's bring it out about the NFL and bended knees.
October 1, 2017
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May I preface this by saying I'm not a Trump supporter?

When I get into arguments about whether or not a football player takes the knee for the Anthem, I'm of the point that they're employees.  Personally, I've waited tables.  At certain restaurants I wasn't allowed to wear a cross.  That too is in the 1st amendment, last I looked.  Some restaurants, I did wear a necklace with a cross.  Yet these people want to play a race card...So, I wonder, if I couldn't get a job because I wore a burka?  Would they defend my 1st amendment?  Would these same people defend my right to wear a cross?

The more articles I read I wonder, "who is the racist here?"!!!

So, Trump has a right to his opinion.  After all, he too is protected by the 1st amendment, isn't he?

Free speech!  Free religion!  Freedom of the press.  Read it!  Learn what you're talking about.

So, anyway...Trump is coming from the view of a CEO.  When he says "fire them", they're employees.  It is up to the employer to keep them employed.  If the employers lose money, then these kneeling boys won't be worth employing.  😉

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October 1, 2017
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Oh, I even had a guy say, "give football back to the liberals".  I literally laughed out loud!  I'm thinking..."Um...Nixon loved football and so do Southerners...When exactly did it become 'liberal'???"

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October 2, 2017
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Then there is this story I just saw locally, where two kids were kicked off the football team for taking the knee. http://www.bellinghamherald.co.....72821.html

I feel this is justified.  Good for the coach to do this.

Make your choices carefully, there are consequences for everything.  It is their choice to not stand up for the Anthem, but it is also the coach's choice to kick them out.  Nobody is harmed, you made your stand...you lost.  Get over it, we've all lost at some point.

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October 2, 2017
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Yes I have written my same point of view these are just employees and they are costing their bosses a lot of money, using the bosses dime for their protests. The stadium and team owners are paying for the losses this has generated. It is pretty sad to me their employers have caved into their protests, by joining them. Well its their financial funeral, I wish I was a football watching just to quit watching. Too bad team owners are more interested in hiring the best quarterbacks or runners, as more important than personal behavior.  Nobody in this world is allowed to punch the time clock and think they can protest during work, let alone cost your boss a lot of money. 

It was now spread into other games, and I 100% agree the 2 high school players should be kicked off the team, schools make the rules, and seems to be a thing, that students think they can walk our of school to protest things like immigration problems.  No way in my book. 

October 22, 2017
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A fun article about who gave Kaepernick the idea of kneeling instead of sitting -

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-nate-boyer-got-colin-kaepernick-to-go-from-sitting-to-kneeling/

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-f.....ect-change

http://insider.foxnews.com/201.....rnick-meet

 

When your job also allows you to reach hundreds of thousands of people almost instantaneously, I believe it is your duty to take a stand (no pun intended) for positions that you feel strongly about. The duty of those in power is to speak on behalf of those without a voice. It's an uncomfortable discussion, all of these topics are, but I think we need to have them.

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October 23, 2017
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Good to see you wing! Laugh

Players are not reaching anyone, they are on a field to play a game they are paid for, and only a select few are known my their faces.  

Team owners are reaching the people, and they are the ones who own a team that they charge admission, and for TV coverage, in order to make money. Employees have no rights other than to do their paid contract like any other employee. If they are famous go reach the people for protests on your own dime, not your bosses. 

Stadium and team owners loose money over this, while the players collect their paychecks regardless of affecting the paid gates.  An they have made the team owners loose millions over this.

Sorry, nobody else can do political protests or rallies, when you are at your place of work.  We specifically were not allowed to say a word to customers, the media, when sensitive issues were in the news working in the defence industry. We  were not allowed to give flyers, or anything of a political nature, or religion nature, or sell things like herbalife or other similar things on company property. You are there to do a job, not engage in things that can cost your company money, strife, or lawsuits. Do it on your own time. 

October 24, 2017
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Good to see you wing! Laugh

Players are not reaching anyone, they are on a field to play a game they are paid for, and only a select few are known my their faces.

Obviously that isn't true, considering that it's started a lot of discussion. Plus, look at the work that someone like Watt has done with hurricane relief, or what Villanueva has done for veteran affairs. These people reach hundreds of thousands of individuals through interviews, social media, and of course their performance during the game.

Team owners are reaching the people, and they are the ones who own a team that they charge admission, and for TV coverage, in order to make money. Employees have no rights other than to do their paid contract like any other employee. If they are famous go reach the people for protests on your own dime, not your bosses.

Just because you work for someone doesn't mean you give up your rights, that's silly. There have been plenty of times that people have made political or economic statements during their work hours. How do you think unions came about?

Sorry, nobody else can do political protests or rallies, when you are at your place of work.  We specifically were not allowed to say a word to customers, the media, when sensitive issues were in the news working in the defence industry. We  were not allowed to give flyers, or anything of a political nature, or religion nature, or sell things like herbalife or other similar things on company property. You are there to do a job, not engage in things that can cost your company money, strife, or lawsuits. Do it on your own time.

Defense industry Entertainment industry. Not all jobs are created equal, and the truth is that some carry a different set of responsibilities than the other, depending on exposure.  

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October 25, 2017
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They are not having their right violated, they are free to protest and do these things on their own time, with their own dime, and not the time they are under contract to their employer. They have no right to hold teams, stadiums, and team owners held hostage, nor do they have any rights to not uphold team image or the image of sponsors who pay to reach millions of people in exchange for giving them money that pays their paychecks. Maintaining public image on and off the field is probably a standard requirement in all contracts.  If I'm Chevrolet and paying $5 million dollars to advertise and 10% turned off their TV, who pays for this? Not these players, their boss pays for it and sponsors pay for it. I want to sell cars, and do not want to have pissed off viewers boycotting the sponsors. 

October 25, 2017
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greeney2 said
They are not having their right violated, they are free to protest and do these things on their own time, with their own dime, and not the time they are under contract to their employer. They have no right to hold teams, stadiums, and team owners held hostage, nor do they have any rights to not uphold team image or the image of sponsors who pay to reach millions of people in exchange for giving them money that pays their paychecks. Maintaining public image on and off the field is probably a standard requirement in all contracts.  If I'm Chevrolet and paying $5 million dollars to advertise and 10% turned off their TV, who pays for this? Not these players, their boss pays for it and sponsors pay for it. I want to sell cars, and do not want to have pissed off viewers boycotting the sponsors.   

There's nothing in their contract that says they have to stand for the pledge. They're also not disrupting the reason why they're ultimately there - to play 60 minutes of football. If Chevy wants to remove their sponsorship they're allowed to do so - free country, right? However, a couple of pissed off people aren't going to stop the NFL from making the billions that they always do, and the hundreds of millions that their sponsors do as well.

 

Oh, and before it comes up -

 

https://www.snopes.com/must-nfl-players-stand/

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October 26, 2017
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It is a lot more than a few pissed off people, ticket sales have plummeted, and viewers have turned off NFL games. They have lost a fortune. Someone did quote an NFL rule about the National Anthem, can not recall exactly what it said. 

Players contracts do in deed have clauses to uphold the image of the team, and being this has hurt the teams image, proven by the boycotting, I think a good case of breach of contract could be made against these players, persisting on protests that inflame fans and therefore reflect on the image of their team. 

Yes, advertisers can leave, and they have, and they have also pulled the endorsements of some of the players, another breach of contract, not upholding the image of those companies. They pay for their commercials based on viewing numbers, on viewers, so when players do something so offensive it affects these commercials by viewers boycotting games, the teams and NFL breached the contracts to these advertisers, by allowing behavior that results in fans boycotting games and their sponsor. It is their actions affecting what the sponsors are paying for.  

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