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Is this really America?
July 20, 2010
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It always starts small, "isolated" incidents, no big deal. We are on a collision course with hell in this country.

That Anthony Graber broke the law in early March is indisputable. He raced his Honda motorcycle down Interstate 95 in Maryland at 80 mph, popping a wheelie, roaring past cars and swerving across traffic lanes.

But it wasn't his daredevil stunt that has the 25-year-old staff sergeant for the Maryland Air National Guard facing the possibility of 16 years in prison. For that, he was issued a speeding ticket. It was the video that Graber posted on YouTube one week later -- taken with his helmet camera -- of a plainclothes state trooper cutting him off and drawing a gun during the traffic stop near Baltimore.

In early April, state police officers raided Graber's parents' home in Abingdon, Md. They confiscated his camera, computers and external hard drives. Graber was indicted for allegedly violating state wiretap laws by recording the trooper without his consent.

Arrests such as Graber's are becoming more common along with the proliferation of portable video cameras and cell-phone recorders. Videos of alleged police misconduct have become hot items on the Internet. YouTube still features Graber's encounter along with numerous other witness videos. "The message is clearly, 'Don't criticize the police,'" said David Rocah, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland who is part of Graber's defense team. "With these charges, anyone who would even think to record the police is now justifiably in fear that they will also be criminally charged."

Carlos Miller, a Miami journalist who runs the blog "Photography Is Not a Crime," said he has documented about 10 arrests since he started keeping track in 2007. Miller himself has been arrested twice for photographing the police. He won one case on appeal, he said, while the other was thrown out after the officer twice failed to appear in court.

"They're just regular citizens with a cell-phone camera who happen to come upon a situation," Miller said. "If cops are doing their jobs, they shouldn't worry."
The ACLU of Florida filed a First Amendment lawsuit last month on behalf of a model who was arrested February 2009 in Boynton Beach. Fla. Her crime: videotaping an encounter between police officers and her teenage son at a movie theater. Prosecutors refused to file charges against Sharron Tasha Ford and her son.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/videota ... d=11179076

July 20, 2010
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I think this is a very important topic, thanks qmark for posting this. This may be one area where you and I agree. 😉

It has already been established, in many court cases, that when out in public the right to privacy/Fourth Amendment doesn't apply. Therefore, video taping in public is totally legal. To attempt to apply wire tapping "laws" on this is a total crock. In my state it is legal to record conversations so long as the conversation takes place in the same room and at least one person knows the conversation is being recorded. It is a little different with phones. However, we know that emails, phones, etc. are being recorded by the feds. Under my state law, that is illegal.

We also know that most cops have cameras in their cars now. How can it be legal for a cop to record an incident and not an American?

There is a local story here of a man who was arrested for not showing his ID. He was walking down the street with a group of people, they were bar hopping and hitting a ball with a golf club. If I remember right, it was like a wiffle ball. It hit somebody, that somebody called the cops. The person who hit the ball admitted it and apologized. He wasn't arrested. A man who was part of the group was arrested. Somehow, Seattle police "lost" or "erased" the video from the cop car. He has since learned that every video that is recorded by police has a number. Every time that video is viewed, erased or anything, there is a logged date and time. There is a company, I believe out of Texas, that tracks this. He is now suing the Seattle police. All he did was refuse to show ID. Kinda like Nazi Germany, "papers please".

There has also been backlash to videos of police brutality. Recently there was the Oakland transit cop who was videotaped killing an unarmed man. He didn't get murder, but manslaughter. That created a riot situation.

In Seattle, we had a few cops murdered this last fall/winter. One incident, where 4 cops were brutally murdered, was caused (according to the defendant) by a youtube video of the Seattle cops beating up a 14 year old girl after she threw a shoe. This guy is now in a wheelchair, after the cops fired on him. On the msm, against his lawyer's wishes, he started speaking out against the corruption of the Seattle police and on behalf of the Constitution. Wait, I'm mixing those guys up. The guy who killed the 4 cops in the coffee shop was killed. The guy in the wheelchair killed a cop who was parked with his partner.

The thing is, if the cops continue to overstep their bounds, there will be more vigilantes like these guys. Cops need to go above and beyond at protecting and serving. It has to be one of the most difficult jobs ever created. However, if they let the job get to them and turn into thugs, people will fight back.

Oh, there was also an incident where people were taking tourist pictures of ferries and the locks and their cameras were getting confiscated and they were detained (which is against the Fourth Amendment). But...this is all in the name of the "war on terror". If I remember correctly, you used to support these things when Bush was in office and the (un)patriot act was enacted. I may be mistaken on that one though.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

July 21, 2010
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Yikes! Something we agree upon. 😮

I am suprised there isn't more outrage over whats going on in this country. BTW, I was never a fan of the Patriot Act. But its funny that the Dems which were screaming about it have not repealed it, or have they, and I just happened to miss it.

July 21, 2010
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"qmark" wrote: Yikes! Something we agree upon. 😮

😀 😀 😀 Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

Come on, you know you always liked me. 😀

"qmark" wrote:
I am suprised there isn't more outrage over whats going on in this country. BTW, I was never a fan of the Patriot Act. But its funny that the Dems which were screaming about it have not repealed it, or have they, and I just happened to miss it.

Ugh!

I know, I'm with you here. My congresscritter voted for the (un)patriot act. 🙁

I find this to be a big issue! I hated Bush, and now I get to hate Obummer more.

Personally, I'm really angry over stories like this! We The People need to talk about this!

BTW, it ain't about left/right liberal/conservative. It's about We The People vs. the banksters....

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

July 21, 2010
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"Nesaie" wrote:
Ugh!

I know, I'm with you here. My congresscritter voted for the (un)patriot act. 🙁

I find this to be a big issue! I hated Bush, and now I get to hate Obummer more.

Personally, I'm really angry over stories like this! We The People need to talk about this!

BTW, it ain't about left/right liberal/conservative. It's about We The People vs. the banksters....

I'll disagree a little bit here. It's about We The People vs the hard core Progresives and the banksters that control them. Only an idiot government would put its financial stability in the hands of a private institution.

July 21, 2010
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So, we're talking eh? 😀

Personally, I wouldn't go calling all liberals progressives. That sounds like a marketing tool to me. In many respects I could be legitimately called a liberal. When any corporation like blackwater or diebold get a bad rep, they change their name. I don't think liberals are bad or have earned a bad name, per se.

Banksters, yeah, they're bad, they're evil, they've earned a bad name. And...

The corporation known as the FEDERAL RESERVE needs to be audited, and then abolished. They're also banksters.

The words "progressive" "liberal" "conservative", etc...how many years have we argued here? Come on, those are just words. The real words are, "We The People"!!!!

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

July 21, 2010
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I never called all liberals progressives. To me, there is a difference. There can be conservative progressives and they are just as evil.

July 21, 2010
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I've been called many names, liberal, conservative, etc. I hate Bush and I hate the current illegitimate "president".

In some ways I am a liberal, just like our Founding Fathers, I want change. Apparently, that is called a "classical liberal. I relate to that.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

July 21, 2010
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I'm a Constitutionalist. If that makes me a conservative, I'm okay with that.

July 21, 2010
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"qmark" wrote:

In early April, state police officers raided Graber's parents' home in Abingdon, Md. They confiscated his camera, computers and external hard drives. Graber was indicted for allegedly violating state wiretap laws by recording the trooper without his consent.

I don't really see how they can pull this off, since every patrol car, city, state and federal has a camcorder built in so they can record every arrest. If they can claim that they were recorded without their consent, so can every person they pull over or arrest. The police violate every law on the books to do what they do. Maybe its time to reign in their authority. Police are not above the law, although many seem to think they are.

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