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June 14, 2010
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Aquarian, which is it? Can illegals get welfare or are there less illegals on welfare? You contradict yourself in the following quote:

Those who are undocumented immigrants are ineligible to receive the welfare you speak of. According to the Congressional Research Service, legal permant residents must pay into Social Security and Medicare for 10 years until they are eligible to receive funds from those services:
http://blogs.chron.com/immigration/arch ... st_80.html

In-fact, that same analysis concludes that there are more native-born citizens that use welfare versus undocumented human beings.

Fact 1, it is ILLEGAL for a social worker or DSHS worker to ask for proof of citizenship.
-I was told this when applying for financial aid for school.

Fact 2, a 9 digit number is required to get welfare, however it doesn't necessarily have to be a social security number.
-I learned about that second fact from a legal Mexican while talking about immigration. He has illegal family here who received a FEIN number from the federal government so they could pay taxes.

http://www.ampminsure.org/star.....n.html#ssn

FEIN is used by employers, partnerships, sole proprietors, non-profit organizations, trusts, corporations, estates, government agencies and other business entities. Employers may choose to use either their Social Security Number (SSN) or their FEIN for reporting taxes withheld on behalf of their employees. However, the credit bureaus and credit issuers can tell between SSN and FEIN.

I wonder if DSHS happens to be one of those "government agencies" that accept a FEIN instead of a SSN?

Now, let's talk about the citizenship requirement for medicade? Oh wait, there isn't any.

https://fortress.wa.gov/dshs/f2esaapps/ ... intro.aspx

Immigration Status and Social Security Numbers

You may be able to get assistance for some people you live with even if others you live with can’t get help because of immigration status. You must tell us the status of anyone who applies. We have medical programs that cover some people who can’t prove they are in the country legally.

Under Federal Law (42 CFR § 435.910, 45 CFR §205.52, 7 CFR §273.6), you must give us the Social Security Number (SSN) for anyone you live with who applies for Medicaid, TANF, or food assistance. We may also need SSNs of parents and spouses who live with you but don’t apply. We have medical programs for some people who don’t have SSNs.

And, guess what? Using the welfare system BEFORE applying for citizenship is A-OK to the government.

http://hrsa.dshs.wa.gov/Eligib.....S-Info.htm

# It will
NOT hurt your chances of getting a green card if YOU, your CHILDREN, or other FAMILY MEMBERS use:

HEALTH CARE, such as: Medicaid, State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), WIC, prenatal care, other free or low-cost medical care

FOOD programs, such as: Food programs, WIC, school meals, and other food assistance

Other programs that do not give cash, such as: public housing, disaster relief, child care services, job training, transportation vouchers

How can a person get this welfare without at least a green card? It must be that other 9 digit number that looks like a social security number given by the federal illegal government.

Washington state has a great law for migrant workers. In this state they're required a wage far above minimum wage. I believe it was $15/hr. The farm must supply transportation and housing. I'll try to find that info as well. It has been a while since I read about it. But hell, I wouldn't mind getting in on that program. Free rent and a wage like that? Who knew how good these guys had it? So please, don't go down the path of they're here to do jobs nobody else will do. This is a great plan for any Mexican. Why are there so many here illegally then?

NAFTA caused the illegal immigration in my state. The majority of illegals in this state used to be Canadians. Since 1996, it is now Mexicans.

BTW, show me Jan Brewer's stand on homeland (in)security. I couldn't find anything. I did find this though:

http://www.whorunsgov.com/Prof.....Jan_Brewer

You may be confusing her with napalitano, the previous Arizona governor. She is a fascist commie!

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June 14, 2010
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I have yet to hear Obama say that no human being is illegal.

Thats becasue his aunt was here illegally and they fixed that up so she will not be deported. How convienient.

Nesaie, you started out a post with a statement about your father shooting his first deer at 14, and never tied that in with the rest of your post. What did that have to do with anything??? Did I miss a point you were trying to make?

June 14, 2010
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What I was thinking when I wrote that about shooting a deer, is that it used to be a coming of age for men in the old days. It meant you were adult enough and responsible enough to handle a gun and feed yourself. He happened to be the same age as this Mexican when he "came of age". Compare/contrast to this kid. Is he a responsible adult? Or is he just a little criminal juvenile?

Anyway, I was looking to see the wage requirement in WA for migrant workers and couldn't find it. I may be mistaken on that one.

What I did find was that Mexico now, thanks to NAFTA, has a say in my state's laws. That is so un-Constitutional it ain't even funny! There was an issue with Mexican workers here in WA so Mexico got a say in the outcome!

http://www.laborrights.org/creating-a-s ... news/11497

http://publish.portland.indymedia.org/e ... 2700.shtml

Now is the time to hold every state to upholding the 10th Amendment! What right does Mexico have in my state affairs. Dang this makes me angry!

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

June 23, 2010
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AQUARIAN...Where are you???????!

Can you answer this question?

Aquarian, which is it? Can illegals get welfare or are there less illegals on welfare?

I've already linked to the government websites that show that illegals are given tax payer money.

Now this fed wants illegals to get "fair" wages. I want these commies out of my country. Where are all these people who swore an oath against ALL enemies foreign and domestic? Why aren't we still killing the commies in our own country like this witch? Oh wait, I forgot, we lost the cold war and McCarthy was right.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/illegal-imm ... fair-wages

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

June 23, 2010
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Maybe I'm not reading this right, but Welfare is not Social Security. I collect social security becasue of my age, and my work record of paying into it for over way 45 years. It is also matched by your employer. I am not old enough for medicare yet, but when I am its for the same reason, I paid into the system my entire working life. That should not be confused with welfare if you think they are the same thing.

June 23, 2010
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"Nesaie" wrote: AQUARIAN...Where are you???????!

Can you answer this question?

Aquarian, which is it? Can illegals get welfare or are there less illegals on welfare?

I've already linked to the government websites that show that illegals are given tax payer money.

Now this fed wants illegals to get "fair" wages. I want these commies out of my country. Where are all these people who swore an oath against ALL enemies foreign and domestic? Why aren't we still killing the commies in our own country like this witch? Oh wait, I forgot, we lost the cold war and McCarthy was right.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/illegal-imm ... fair-wages

Immigrants may benefit from some welfare programs. For example, in Florida, there is no discrimination when it comes to providing need-based housing for low-income residents, whether or not they are citizens or immigrants, asylum-seekers, etc. That is the welfare I am referring to.

To think that you believe McCarthy was right proves a very skewed ideology. McCarthy was ravenous and was responsible for the destruction of thousands of career losses over his accusations. More importantly, McCarthy was the figurehead for an anti-higher consciousness movement that squashed the prospect that exist in that era for fundamental reform of the economic system, not the bare-bones safety-net system FDR had installed. Supporting McCarthy means supporting the Cold War, which means supporting using money to pump the war machine; something I had an understanding you were against, Nesaie.

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June 24, 2010
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"greeney2" wrote: Maybe I'm not reading this right, but Welfare is not Social Security. I collect social security becasue of my age, and my work record of paying into it for over way 45 years. It is also matched by your employer. I am not old enough for medicare yet, but when I am its for the same reason, I paid into the system my entire working life. That should not be confused with welfare if you think they are the same thing.

Social security and medicare are both ponzi schemes created by a socialist named Roosevelt. Today there isn't enough money to support all the people eligible for those programs. That is why Obummers illegal death care reduces the services that medicare recipients get. They will also tell you what services you're allowed to get. If these committees determine that you're too old, you wont get your health care, unless you can afford to fly out of the country and buy it in India.

Yes, you payed into the system. But, that payed for people like my Grandma, not for you. You payed into people who were receiving the "benefit". It was never set up like a bank account or like the federal employees fund, which is totally different. The government has excluded itself from social security and from this new illegal death care. Why would they do that since these are such "good" programs? You payed for others just as people who work today pay for you. You're receiving our money after you payed for somebody else.

Not to mention that just about every president since the social security "program" was implemented has raided the fund for other things. It too is bankrupt. People my age or your kids age will never see any benefit from the money we're contributing to your retirement. Pyramid schemes never last very long. The last ones participating are the ones who always lose.

As far as the illegals? Yeah, I remember an illegal who sued the federal government from Mexico for social security benefits. The woman had stolen an American's ssn and used it to work in the US. When she went back to Mexico to retire, she was denied the "benefit". So she sued and won. Now, Mexico is trying to sue Arizona with a claim that their law is un-Constitutional. Um...it's called the 10th amendment, states rights and Mexico has nothing to do with a sovereign State. I like Jan Brewer. 😀

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

June 24, 2010
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"Aquarian" wrote:

Immigrants may benefit from some welfare programs.

Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

Oh, come on Aquarian, "Immigrants may benefit"? Aquarian, repeat after me, "Illegals do get US tax payers money in the form of welfare".

We're talking about illegals here. Did you watch that last video I posted? Where that commie/fascist dept. of labor witch said, "all workers have rights, documented and undocumented"? It is ILLEGAL for me to work without a social security number. Why do illegals get to work without showing their paperwork? Even more so, why don't they grow some you-know-whats and make their country better rather than invading mine? Are all these Mexicans wimps?

"Aquarian" wrote:
For example, in Florida, there is no discrimination when it comes to providing need-based housing for low-income residents, whether or not they are citizens or immigrants, asylum-seekers, etc. That is the welfare I am referring to.

Just once, call them what they are, ILLEGAL! They're thieves, stealing tax payer money. Many are rapists, murderers and gangsters. I want them out of my country and my state. They have basically declared war on my people in the US. It's war, the only justified war today.

"Aquarian" wrote:
To think that you believe McCarthy was right proves a very skewed ideology. McCarthy was ravenous and was responsible for the destruction of thousands of career losses over his accusations. More importantly, McCarthy was the figurehead for an anti-higher consciousness movement that squashed the prospect that exist in that era for fundamental reform of the economic system, not the bare-bones safety-net system FDR had installed. Supporting McCarthy means supporting the Cold War, which means supporting using money to pump the war machine; something I had an understanding you were against, Nesaie.

You must be talking about all the Holyweird writers and actors who lost their jobs because it was claimed they were card carrying members of the communist party. To be honest with you, Communism doesn't scare me. It is a failed economic system that cannot be remedied by violence. However, we were infiltrated by the commies, which was McCarthy's concern. After all, Obummer is buddies with a commie terrorist from the weathermen, who terrorized Americans here in the US. He should be arrested on the fact of his association with terrorists.

Read more about McCarthy. It was the MSM that ruined him, because they and holyweird were actually being infiltrated by the commies. Now we have commie sympathizers quoting her "favorite philosopher, Chairman Mao" in the illegitimate federal government.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

June 24, 2010
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"Nesaie" wrote:
Anyway, I was looking to see the wage requirement in WA for migrant workers and couldn't find it. I may be mistaken on that one.

What I did find was that Mexico now, thanks to NAFTA, has a say in my state's laws. That is so un-Constitutional it ain't even funny! There was an issue with Mexican workers here in WA so Mexico got a say in the outcome!

http://www.laborrights.org/creating-a-s ... news/11497

http://publish.portland.indymedia.org/e ... 2700.shtml

Now is the time to hold every state to upholding the 10th Amendment! What right does Mexico have in my state affairs. Dang this makes me angry!

Sounds reasonable to me. If Mexico wants to complain about how much we pay migrant workers, perhaps we should pay them the same fair wages they would earn in Mexico.

June 24, 2010
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"Nesaie" wrote: AQUARIAN...Where are you???????!

Can you answer this question?

Aquarian, which is it? Can illegals get welfare or are there less illegals on welfare?

I've already linked to the government websites that show that illegals are given tax payer money.

Now this fed wants illegals to get "fair" wages. I want these commies out of my country. Where are all these people who swore an oath against ALL enemies foreign and domestic? Why aren't we still killing the commies in our own country like this witch? Oh wait, I forgot, we lost the cold war and McCarthy was right.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/illegal-imm ... fair-wages

I wonder when these public servants are going to remember that they work for and are paid by American tax payers? I agree that anyone who works in America has the right to earn a fair wage but, if they are undocumented and here illegally, they do not have the right to even be working here legally.

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