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Happy Veteran's Day
November 11, 2010
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A very happy Veteran's day to everyone, with a special Thank You for serving your country to all that have. They serve during time of War and times of Peace, and those who have seen combat, nobody can really understand or comprehend their experience.

Today we celebrate all the millions who have worn a uniform of the armed forces, and proudly served, the United States of America. Just like many cops never had the occasion to use his gun, or the fireman who hopes to spend 30 years only shining up the fire trucks, most veterans served during peace time years. Nevertheless, they did all the things nessesary to be on the ready, if duty called. Millions served and got their discharge after a 2-yr. draft or enlistment expired. Those veterans in numbers, are probably 90% of the total numbers serving, and most never see combat. Even in times of war, many have jobs that do not require actual front line combat. They may have been assigned to a motor pool job, worked on a flight line on an air base or carriar, office workers, or worked in the supply depot. First and formost, everyone is a rifleman, and the most basic of all military jobs, if required is to fight for your life and the life next to you. Everyone, in every branch of service, is trained to fire a weapon, and do hand to hand combat, and if all else fails, pick up a shovel and go down swinging.

Millions of Americans today, including myself, will find a quiet moment, just like on Memorial Day, to search his/her soul and say, "Why was I so lucky in life"? To appreciate the small things in life you take for granted everyday, realize how lucky I am to be where I am today. Here I am today, retired, married almost 38 years, beautiful children, and now a grandchild, how lucky I am, and how I could have had a much different story as a veteran. There is no real answer to why, the only answer is to honor our servicemen and women everyday, not just on 2 holidays per year. Today is not about a day off work, or a 4 day weekend, its about the price of freedom that without the millions who served would not ever happen.

Take a few minutes to remember and reflect on your own lives today as it pretains to all our vets. How what they have done has insured your simple freedoms you have today. For all you younger folks who have never had to think about a military obligtion, take a moment to be thankful for those who have enlisted in an all volunteer military. I'm really glad you never had that hanging over your head, but I also know if nessesary, they would bring back the draft in a heartbeat. Those enlisted people today, are what makes the draft a thing of my generation, not yours. Be appreciative of them becasue without them, they could be on your doorstep next.

Semper Fi Marines, yesterday was our Birthday!

November 11, 2010
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For the fallen:

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

Lest we forget

It is true that "All gave some, Some gave all"

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

November 12, 2010
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Nice shout out. Last nite I was chit chatting with my cousins Wife.
She is soon to go into labor with their second child and my cousin
is in Afghanistan. What a tough woman.
Not only is it all these people in service but their families as well
that make great sacrafices for others. Some day all the violence
has got to end. People have to evolve out of these things, out
of war being an option.... but I am thankful for the people
that get out there and do a service that is like no other
and for the families as well.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

November 12, 2010
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My significant other and I were talking the other day coincidentally about what you were saying about the families Sandra and you are right on the money.

My partner was saying that when ever I went overseas she had to deal with all of the things she had to deal with as well as mine then came the emotional things as well.

She said to me that there were times when I was overseas when she just wanted to slap me in the face for not being at home and having her do it all but the moment she saw me in front of her when I got home, she was just so glad I was home alive, safe and well that she felt guilty about ever having had those kinds of thoughts.

It was only this Rememberance Day (or Veterans Day in the U.S) that she was able to tell me this information. It took me all of my inner strength not to tear up on hearing this. These burdens I because of my service I placed on those I love and loved was something that I took for granted in many ways over the years.

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

November 14, 2010
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If only there was a reason to actually thank a veteran. The only thing foreign involvement has brought to this earth was an expansion of empire, establishment of American hegemony, aggression, rape, pillaging and state-sanctioned genocide.

We’ve all seen the bumper stickers: “My son is in the Air Force,” “If You Can Read This in English, Thank a Marine,” “Proud Vietnam Veteran,” “Fly Navy,” and of course, “Thank a Vet.”

Why should we?

Why should we call them heroes, give them military discounts, grant them veterans preference, express our support for them with ribbons on our cars, honor them with a holiday, hold military appreciation church services for them, and thank them for their “service”?

Veterans Day began as Armistice Day to commemorate the signing of the armistice that ended World War I. It had nothing to do with honoring current and former members of the military like Veterans Day is celebrated today. And if the sole purpose of Armistice Day was to honor World War I veterans, it should never have been celebrated since no American soldier did anything honorable by intervening in a European foreign war. And it doesn’t matter if he was drafted or not.

Britain’s last World War I combat veteran, Harry Patch, died last year at the age of 111. He boasted that he hadn’t killed anyone in combat. “War isn’t worth one life,” Patch said, it is “calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings.” In his autobiography The Last Fighting Tommy, Patch wrote that “politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organising nothing better than legalised mass murder.” In the last years of his life, Patch warned some young naval recruits that they shouldn’t join.

Frank Buckles, age 109, is the only American veteran of World War I still living. When asked while being honored for his service at a 2007 Veterans Day ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery what he thought about being there while the United States was at war, he replied: “I’m no authority, but I’m not in favor of war unless it’s an emergency.” I think that Buckles is more of an authority on the horrors of war and the folly and wickedness of war than the current members of the Joint Chiefs.

It is only because World War I did not turn out to be the “war to end all wars” that the holiday was changed to Veterans Day as a tribute to all soldiers who fought for their country.

Although I believe World War II to be neither necessary nor good, I come not on this Veterans Day to criticize the “greatest generation,” who, it turns out, were also great at pillaging and carousing.

For reasons I explained in “U.S. Presidents and Those Who Kill for Them,” World War II marks the permanent establishment of the American military as the president’s personal attack force to kill by his decree Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Grenadians, Panamanians, Yugoslavs, Serbians, Afghans, Iraqis, Somalis, Yemenis, and Pakistanis. Next on the list is Iranians. Sometimes these presidential decrees are rubberstamped by a congressional authorization to use force, but they are always preceded by presidential lies and warmonger propaganda.

So why should a Vietnam veteran be proud? He was typically young, ignorant, deceived, and drafted. He may have fought obediently, valiantly, selflessly, and fearlessly, but since he had no business fighting in Vietnam in the first place, I have nothing to thank him for. And I certainly can’t thank him for preventing the Viet Cong from turning America into a socialist republic. Besides, LBJ beat Ho Chi Minh to that anyway. Many Vietnam veterans have written me and expressed shame, remorse, anger, and resentment – not pride – for having been duped into going thousands of miles away from American soil to intervene in another country’s civil war. In fact, I have found that it is those who are not Vietnam veterans who are the most vociferous defenders of the war in Vietnam.

The most undeserved and oftentimes disgusting outpouring of thankfulness I have ever seen is over those who have fought or are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The praise and adoration of those fighting in “the front lines in the war on terror” reaches its apex on Veterans Day, which has become a day to defend U.S. wars and recognize all things military. These soldiers certainly have done nothing worthy of thanks. Sure, they have rebuilt infrastructure – after bombing it to smithereens. They no doubt removed a brutal dictator – and unleashed American brutality in the process. And yes, they have rescued orphan children – after blowing their parents and brothers and sisters to kingdom come.

What is there to thank our soldiers for? They are not defending our freedoms. They are not keeping us safe from our enemies. They are not protecting us from terrorists. They are not guaranteeing our First Amendment rights. They are not defending U.S. borders. They are not guarding U.S. shores. They are not patrolling U.S. coasts. They are not enforcing no-fly zones over U.S. skies. They are not fighting “over there” so we don’t have to fight “over here.” They are not avenging 9/11. They are not safeguarding the American way of life. Oh, and they are not ensuring that I have the liberty to write what I do about the military.

What, then, should we thank our soldiers for? Should we thank them for fighting an unconstitutional war, an unscriptural war, an immoral war, an offensive war, an unjust war, or a senseless war? Should we thank our veterans for helping to carry out an aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and interventionist foreign policy? Should we thank the military for sucking $1 trillion out of the federal budget?

But, some will say, these soldiers are just doing their jobs. They can’t help it if the U.S. military sends them to fight in an unjust war in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are just following orders. They didn’t enlist in the military to kill people.

What would any sane man think about a doctor who takes a job at a hospital knowing that the hospital instructs its doctors to euthanize old and sickly patients – and then says he was just doing his job, following orders, and didn’t take the job to kill people?

Why are soldiers treated so differently? Why do they get a pass on committing or supporting those who commit murder and mayhem?

But, someone else says, the military has lowered its recruiting standards and is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Many soldiers are ignorant about the true nature of the military and U.S. foreign policy. Why should we fault them for their ignorance? Why should they be criticized for unjustly killing Iraqis or Afghans or Pakistanis? They are just following orders.

Let’s go back to the doctor I mentioned. Suppose that after he takes a job in ignorance at what he thinks is a reputable hospital he is instructed to euthanize old and sickly patients? What should he do? I don’t know of anyone who would say anything else but that he should quit his job or at least refuse to euthanize anyone.

Again, why are soldiers treated so differently? Why do they get a pass on committing or supporting those who commit murder and mayhem?

But, comes another reply, soldiers have a term of enlistment. They can’t just quit their jobs. Doctors can walk away from their jobs at any time. Then I guess it all comes down to morality: Be a mercenary and kill for the state or refuse to do so and suffer the consequences of dishonorable discharge and/or imprisonment.

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It is high time that Americans stop holding veterans and current members of the military in such high esteem. It is scientists, engineers, inventors, businessmen, industrialists, software developers, and entrepreneurs that made America great – not veterans of foreign wars. It is doctors, iron workers, taxi drivers, bricklayers, writers, electricians, and cooks that positively contribute to society – not soldiers.

I would like to be able to thank a vet – on Veterans Day and every other day of the year – but I’m still searching for a reason.

http://www.infowars.com/thank-a-vet/

The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

November 14, 2010
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"The_Joker" wrote: My significant other and I were talking the other day coincidentally about what you were saying about the families Sandra and you are right on the money.

My partner was saying that when ever I went overseas she had to deal with all of the things she had to deal with as well as mine then came the emotional things as well.

She said to me that there were times when I was overseas when she just wanted to slap me in the face for not being at home and having her do it all but the moment she saw me in front of her when I got home, she was just so glad I was home alive, safe and well that she felt guilty about ever having had those kinds of thoughts.

It was only this Rememberance Day (or Veterans Day in the U.S) that she was able to tell me this information. It took me all of my inner strength not to tear up on hearing this. These burdens I because of my service I placed on those I love and loved was something that I took for granted in many ways over the years.

Wow.. thanks for sharing that, because those things have had me really thinking lately.
Not only about the Veterans and all the people serving, but the families and children.
These people, these women, are unbelievably tough! Can hardly imagine what its like.
When my grandfather was in the airforce for more than 25+ years, my grandmother raised 10 kids. It was alot of time on her own and figuring things out for herself and the children.. I think alot of people overlook these things. Now more than ever.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

November 14, 2010
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I just thank God, my children are nothing like you, Aquarian.

November 15, 2010
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I personally would LOVE to meet you one day, Greeney.

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November 15, 2010
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I'll bet!

November 16, 2010
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"Aquarian" wrote: I personally would LOVE to meet you one day, Greeney.

Really? I mean, REALLY?

Clearly, you two have disagreements. Get over it.

But I thought I'd comment on the overall message you decided to post. In the beginning, my dad thanks the veterans on a day they are to be thanked, as he is a Marine himself, he (along with me and countless other people, believe strongly in that. And you then post the downright ignorant rant saying... well... left leaning, liberal, anti-war, plant a tree, Bush sucks, Illegal war... crap.

Granted, you couldn't write an intelligent rebuttal yourself, so you resorted to a "cut and paste..." but you know, you do, what you have to do.

Keep this in mind, though, the next time you decide to derail a thread aimed at simply giving thanks and praise: even though you clearly don't respect the day for whatever anti-american reason you have, others do respect it.

Keep in mind that maybe you don't care if people devote their lives for their country (clearly you yourself don't believe in or respect such an honor)... others do.

Keep in mind that not everything someone posts, has to be derailed into an anti-american, anti-war, bash fest of immature rants. Errrr... of cut and pastes.

Keep in mind that resorting to insinuated "then meet me in person" threats... are just plain lame and childish.

Grow up.

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