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Efficiency and War
April 25, 2012
7:47 am
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Been kicking this idea around for a while.

Any country's military makes all these bombs and planes and if they don't go to war over decades all of their stuff becomes obsolete and in the case of munitions, probably has to be destroyed at some point if it sits on the shelf long enough.

Seems to me that a country would be most efficient by making good use of their stuff rather than destroy it.

And I wonder if, when faced with let's say, the reality that 20 billion dollars worth of munitions will have to be either used or destroyed.. if it then becomes an imperative to find the most suitable target and put the stuff to use.

Could something like this be the cause of a conflict? Did we go to war with Iraq just to purge our military of a bunch of outdated bombs that we otherwise would have to have destroyed to make room for more updated munitions?

Something tells me this scenario has been at least a partial cause for war in the past.

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April 25, 2012
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We get rid of military surplus for 5 cents on the dollar most of the time. If that much. Ammunition probably has a longer shelf life than you think, look how many military guns get sold really cheap at Big Five sporting goods stores, and many other gun places. Much of the Ammo is probably ww2 and Korean war era stuff, and still is good. I know I have a bunch of 8mm ammo that probably is WW2. When it comes to big stuff like aircraft, ships, tanks, big military vehicles, support equipment some of it sits in mothballs for decades, and scraping it is no easy task. So much of it contains so many enviormental issues, stripping a ship to be sunk is a major expense. Aircraft have to have any toxic chemicals purged out of it. Ammo has things like phospherous rounds. All kinds of chemicals in aircraft, its all an enviormental nightmare disposing of most this stuff. They pay a fortune for Mil-specs in everything they purchase, and its worthless to the value when its scrapped out. You can imagine the wearhouses full of personal gear from boots and shoes, to uniforms, packs, ammo belts, and multiply that for the requirements of the Army, air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, and Marines. Military budgets are simple, spend every last dime, even if its wasted or you will not get the money in next years budget. And they do not care or count, what they divest and scrap, as their new technology replaces the old. We seem to have emormous space and room to store all this old stuff.

April 25, 2012
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But if we run out of space, do we dump it on the most plausible target to be efficient?

As I thought about this scenario in my mind, I even (laughing) envisioned us running out of room for trash in our trash depots and dumping it on enemy territory.

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April 25, 2012
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I guess what spawned this whole idea was when years ago I saw us using really old aircraft and having them fly sorties over Iraq and Afghanistan. That told me one of two things: Either we are/were desperately low on more updated aircraft and had no choice but to dispatch really old ones, or, we were just making use of old equipment that otherwise would end up in the Smithsonian or the trashcan.

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April 25, 2012
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"might makes right"
dog eat dog world

eventually, at least some of it will be used

one always must be prepared for the worst, however..and wave the biggest dick..l'est some smaller dick thinks it's biggest...hence the build up (plus..you never know when your kind will run out of something important.. and you will have to invade another "country" to get it..or some other "country" might run out of it and attempt to invade yours to get at it..gotta be prepared..it is what it is)

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