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Chernobyl Fallout leads to Radioactive Boars in Germany
August 15, 2010
4:31 pm
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Nuclear Fallout is affecting German wildlife.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zei ... 45,00.html

So how badly is America suffering from above ground bomb testing?

August 15, 2010
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Thats a very good question Aquatank. I remember hearing at the beginning of Chernobyl that it was aready affecting the Raindeer population in Scandanavian countries. Maybe Dark Samus can update of about that.

I do remember as a kid in the early 60's, Russia was testing very big bombs in the open, and fallout came over the North pole and obviously had to affect Canada, as it also was affecting USA milk production and showing in Dairy products, in Wisconson.

Our open air testing was in wide open desolate desert, but there was a controversy that John Wayne, and several actors may have gotten their cancer being exposed to fallout in the 50's filming in Arizona and New Mexico. John Ford filmed many places of those states, when testing was going on. One can only imagine the affects on what wildlife was affected, and maybe still is. White Sands, New Mexico is another place. People unfamiliar with the desert, think its all just a wasteland, but in fact a very delicate ecosystem. No doubt that desert has been affected.

One thing for certain, History has proven where the military is, usually are bad chemicals. I've watched a shuttle landing at Edwards and you enter the backside of the drylake for viewing where a bombing range is. Cordoned off and marked do not enter, the bombing area is full of things like phosperous, adn other nasty things, also unexploded bombs. The used to dump all kinds of chemicals in the old days. Hypergolic fuels, triclorethelene, heavy metals, bad stuff.

One last story, my friend at work passed away from a rare blood cancer, and as a Navy sailor, was exposed to a Pacific ground zero test around late 40's. One day after the blast, he was unloading supplies from a ship, right in the bay where the blast was detonated. He said there were dead fish floating all over, and sailors diving into the water to cool off. We had a lot of ignorance of knowledge back in those days, and now we are paying for it. Dales blood problem showed up in a company physical, 40 yrs later.

August 16, 2010
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I brought that partially because maybe a decade ago now there was a documentary that linked Black Helicopters & Cattle Mutilations to areas where the testing fallout was likely to have come down and that the secrecy was about ongoing testing of the environment and cattle getting into the food supply and how it might/might've affect/ed us.

As a sidenote the old blast mapper program if its still out there allowed you to see various bomb yields and how far the fall out would travel. I remember my fallout result stretched almost 200 miles in some cases.

August 16, 2010
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If cattle mutilations were the government, I would think they would just take the entire cow away to a lab, do whatever to it, and dispose of everything. It would simply just be a MIA cow, never to be found.

I think 200 miles for fallout might be the immediate area, but winds and floating, like a volcano ash, that stuff can go thousands of miles. The big Russia test in Siberia were gigantic in size, like 100 megaton. In comparison anything we tested in Nevada was a small fraction of that. I'm not sure what our biggest tests were, maybe a few megatons in the Pacific. Interesting to know.

August 16, 2010
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I agree cattle rustling by helicopter would be simpler, especially while they are sleeping. Atleast before RFIDs and other trackers came into use. BUT, and I only bring this up because its kinda obvious, if I'd lost a bovine I 'd send my dog to find it while following the TRACKS, if the tracks suddenly dissappeared I'd get very suspicious especially if helicopters had been flying around at night. That being said the rationale would be to kill the animal quietly and grab the organs needed for testing, this means ess to dispose of and to carry so longer ranger for the chopper, and just to cover tracks bringing a domesticated or wild coyote along to play with the carion would make sense.

Tsar Bomba was designed for 100MT but was actually reduced to 50MT for testing at sea.

The Nevada Test Site tested 100 nukes above ground from what I'm seeing right now most were 20KT (around Nagasaki yields) with a big 104KT named Sedan for Operation Plowshare.
Here's the fallout Maps from Sedan, its all over the place http://www.260press.com/gallery-29.htm

August 16, 2010
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Um... how 'bout plutonium dust in Vegas attics? Not in the newer houses, just the older ones. Been there, read about it, it was a co-worker's jobsite, and he completed the A/C job before the presence of plutonium dust & asbestos was detected.

I wasn't in as many attics as he was, but I did a few there. Can't help but wonder if that's why everyone tells me I have a glowing complexion. 😯

Keeping it the right color: :mrgreen:

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August 16, 2010
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I can see the headlines of "Hulk Boar" now...

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