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Can We Solve for Poverty and War?
September 9, 2014
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I would like to offer an article I wrote and also would enjoy feedback.

F%^&ing People Over

I debate the use of the %^& in the title, but I figure the words may go further if I play coy. I’m generally quite straightforward.

I looked at the behavior choice of f%^&ing Others over and asked the question of My dear friend Thor, what motivated that behavior other than money. He said “fun.”

I then asked what the percentages might be. What percentage of that behavior was for money and what for fun. He and I both know that money is the primary stakeholder there and He said as much. Fun was far less the motivator, with some fair degree of overlap.

Now, Thor knows that I see a way around the money motive for f%^&ing People over, around the need for money, and have rather devoted My life to it. The solution is simple, except that awareness of it has to spread to enough of Us. And so I suggest You contemplate sharing My words.

There are three things money does in society:

  1. Money facilitates the production and flow of needed goods physically (and a whole lot of unnecessary and fictional goods and services), motivating People to add energy by paying Them to do what is repetitious, hard labor, boring, and other jobs few want to do. Can We solve that with, say, robotics, perhaps? With an “If enough People WANT to do it, no robots needed” approach, We neither force People to do things nor force Them NOT to.

    Most jobs are unnecessary as they exist purely to support the system of money and its flow to the few at the top. Cashiering, sales, collections, marketing, advertising, accounting, insurance, Wall Street, and banking of course. There are many I didn’t mention, but these are the largest groups. I think it would be fair to say that these People rarely look forward every day to the opportunity to do Their job. It’s more “working for the weekend.”

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  2. Money motivates Us to do things We don’t want to do (see number 1). That money motivates Us to unethical behavior choices as well, on such a grand scale, cannot be discounted. Without money, I suggest a replacement of the work “ethic” (which installed the promotion of the non-creative behavior of doing work We didn’t want to do, to the enrichment of few) to the Betterment Ethic, which is a true ethic. A far better use of Human energy, don’t You think?

    The Betterment Ethic also promotes Us choosing to do what We love to do – as long as it’s not f%^&ing People over. Instead of promoting f%^&ing People over for money and the power to f%^& over Others on a large scale that it affords, We are encouraged to use Our gifts to better the way things are. The f%^&ing with is fine as long as it is in good fun. Choose too obnoxious a set of behaviors and You become pariah. Break the three Laws of Ethics – don’t choose to hurt or kill anOther against Their free will and informed consent, don’t choose to take or damage the property of anOther, do not choose to defraud anOther – and Others will be interested in making You pariah on up to permanent confinement.

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  3. Money accounts for the meaningful energy each of Us expends, requiring some sort of intrusion. Some sort of accounting of Each of Us. Adding free energy makes accounting for Ours, since We can create robots for the needed work, totally unnecessary. It solves for this need to account for what We do. (For Those of You who might question whether there are ways to draw meaningful energy from the sea of energy We swim in, think about it for a moment.)[/*]

So there We solve for the need for money AND what direction all the Human energy is mainly focused in. New paradigm: Do what You love to do, aim for the betterment, and don’t f%^& Others over. Earn respect, not money, for the ways You create betterment, be it happiness in Those You encounter, helping Others get what They need, or a cure for a deadly disease.

The psychopaths, the useless eliters, that hold virtually all the wealth on this planet, breeding and ensuring family psychopaths to pass the wealth on to – with an end game of total control over Humanity – will become equally as powerful as anyOne else, with social power being derived from the choices One makes in contribution to betterment. Live and let live as long as someOne is not f%^&ing Others over.

Adding free energy, adding robotics, adding an awareness of these facts about money, adding the Betterment Ethic, and adding a will to spread awareness on the part of You, I’m betting We can choose to create a much better place for, statistically speaking, ALL of Us.

With the Interweb We have the ability to spread awareness much faster around the planet. On Your mark. Get set. Go!


"ALL money systems promote the most psychopathic to the top of the money/power heap - THEY will do ANYTHING to get there."

"If You want peace, take the PROFIT out of war."

September 9, 2014
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Not sure if I agree with all you say. First, on the subject of robotics, I spend most of my career in aerospace in the robotics field. Contrary to what people think about robotic applications they are largely for things that are hazardous, pick and place, painting, safety issues. In my case robotics were used and programmed for special welding applications. Instead of just replacing manpower it opened up new and innovative high tech jobs. Like most fields of work, computers have changed it all, and in all cases opened up new fields of work.

You seem to center on the negative aspects of money, and earning a living. Those who choose to do it dishonestly are always present, and usually centers on underachieving, not being responsible, and a lack of moral compass in life. Thats starts from a poor upbringing, lack of moral fiber, growing up with no religious training, no parental help in early years. That all starts with early childhood, taking time to teach a child to read, not ignoring them until they go off to kindergarten, and they are behind from the first day. They do not learn the 3R's, and by the time they are in middle school are totally lost and behind. The middle school years and high school, they are completely in the dark, and bad behavior, total under achieving, and total lack of moral fiber, screwing with people becomes fun, crime, underhanded behavior, and being responsible in any way they are oblivious to.

Who is most likely to F*%)k over people as adults? Have fun screwing with people? Find ways to lie, cheat and steal, to make money? The kid left behind from childhood, or the kid who has good loving and caring parents? Bad behavior is a choice, but when you never learned from childhood right and wrong, what do you think will happen.

Making money, earning a living is just part of life, and doing it honestly is a choice, as is human behavior to others. Having a job and having to earn a living does not have to be a negative thing, and not everyone always finds what perfect job takes them through life, sometimes the opportunities are just not there. Maintaining you moral fiber in life, is something learned from early on, knowing what is right and wrong, and treating others with respect and not trying to screw over them for fun or money. We have no shortage of those kinds of people, taking the high road is the hard road, but at the end of the day, you can look yourself in the mirror.

December 11, 2014
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I have this posted elsewhere, but I thought it was appropriate here:

Given these: that the networks fought and won against efforts to make it "law" that news has to be true, that the "law" making it illegal for the government to issue propaganda was overturned, the ownership of the media by few, and that all money systems promote the most psychopathic to the top of the money/power heap, We might conclude that most of what We are told is going on in the world is distorted at best, and good probability fabricated.

This We can attribute to the psychopaths promoted to the top of the money/power heap. Thinking back it's not clear where the line was drawn between emergent events and crisis actors. But today, I begin with the presumption that the story coming through is a psyop. The more horrible, the more likely the story is a play to get Us to react in some way.

The only tool that gives this structure strength is accounting for the energy We input - money - which does serve two once-important functions. The accounting for Our meaningful energy expended (how much did We produce?) and as a motivator to get work done that We needed done, but did not have enough (or anyOne) who WANTED to do the work.

Today We have access to the energy in the aether, which has been suppressed for a minimum of 60 years. Electrogravitics is one way I know personally of right now in black projects. It is largely because of the threat to money itself and not any given industry that the psychopaths keep it from Us. Why would We account for Our energy input with effectively infinite energy to be free to create with? Like accounting for grains of sand. Add robots for work We need done but have a deficit of Us Humans who are eager to do the work, We cover the good sides of money. And it's the BAD sides of money that, without it, We would do a lot better than Now.

Money is the soil in which the root of evil (the love of money, putting money/power above Human Beings) grows. What evil will be fostered if We all are living as richly as each of Us chooses, creating with a Betterment Ethic in ways We love to do? Oh, surely there will be social problems - same ones We have now - but motive to unEthical things is dropped to a very low number of options.

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"ALL money systems promote the most psychopathic to the top of the money/power heap - THEY will do ANYTHING to get there."
"The love of money is the root of all evil; remove the soil in which the root grows..."
"If the universe is made of mostly "dark" energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"
"If You want peace, take the PROFIT out of war."


"ALL money systems promote the most psychopathic to the top of the money/power heap - THEY will do ANYTHING to get there."

"If You want peace, take the PROFIT out of war."

December 11, 2014
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I always need some of that money stuff to pay my gas and electric bills. Otherwise I will get cold here in Ohio this time of year. And watch out for that Thor guy. He will **** you every chance he gets. I still can't get rid of him.

When you can go out and see the universe, who wants to go look at a Russian submarine? (Melvin C. Riley, US Army Remote Viewer)

December 20, 2014
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I've been looking at this problem for awhile. I think the solution is arcology. Specifically, I am thinking of something similar to Paolo Soleri's arterial long linear arcology. My recent Calculations suggest that the entire US Population could fit in a series of arcology modules along Interstate Route I-80. In trying to bring costs into lower affordable range I believe using 6 used modified 40ft. sea containers per four person housing unit works best this provides over 800sq ft of living space plus an equal amount for hydroponics to supply the residents of each housing unit 100% . A used container costs $1000-$500) so a base price for lowest cost 1638sq feet is $6000. Estimate an arco module at 20000 people. divided by 4 is 5000 homes. This means a starting to build cost of $30,000,000 . 1 megawatt of power powers 164 homes. A recent geothermal Power plant example has 140 MW meaning it can power 22960 homes. Since we are talking about 5000 home modules that's 4 modules. That's a population of 80000 The cost of the plant was $126,500,000. Taking a US population of 316,100,00 and dividing it by large units of 80000 people means 3952 large units. Multiply that by $246,500,000 and we get a very SURPRISING low end starting cost of $973,983,125,000 (Yes a very low $973.9 Billion dollars) How much is that? Well the US 's total defense spending in 2014 was $738.8 Billion, so about 2 years defense spending would cover much of the starting costs. Building arcos means no more resource wars so we would not need to waste money on such things after all the total cost of the Iraq War to date is $1.7 Trillion. Obviously this is not the total cost only the starting costs there still railways and water treatment, and a host of other things but it still comes out as humankinds best move it can make globally for all populations to move to arcologies.

So we end up with Resource Abundance and replacement of the Monetary Economy with what the Venus Project calls a Resource Based Economy.

UPDATE: THERE IS GLARING CALCULATION ERROR IN THIS: I APOLOGIZE The cost for the USA's national arco of housing using shipping containers and Geothermal energy should read: $ 2,451,326,000,000 ($2.45 Trillion) note its is much less expensive when using Compressed Earth Blocks the biggest cost is the geothermal power plants.

December 20, 2014
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So what you're suggesting is essentially a vertical greenhouse, Aquatank? That's all well and good, but it doesn't address a more timeless enemy that is greed and lust within the hearts of most individuals. You can recommend a multitude of beneficial structures that, on paper, can be proven to help mankind achieve the next level of progress, and you'll still have someone mucking around trying to find a personal profit in it.

The goal becomes one that positions someone with ultimately noble goals into a seat of power to get that work done swiftly and completely.

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

War = Life

December 20, 2014
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Actually I am suggesting far more than a vertical greenhouse. BUT I think I must emphasize it is a starting point. Let me begin that by looking at it from trying to build low cost I am not talking about mega big skyscrapers that cannot support their own weight. I'm envisioning a groundscrapers, holes in the ground perhaps 150 ft deep that can support the weight of the containers on terraces. This provides shelter from tornadoes and high winds.

Now lets look at the next piece of the issue the containers, people pay about $350 a month for single person rent around here so about 10 months rent would pay quite to the cost for the housing unit (Containers +modifications), So we have a an inexpensive rent to own incentive for people to move in. Now here's where greenhouse part comes in, each unit has to grow its own food. The Average family of four spends about $150 a week that's $600 a month. Now we are still talking a transition period to a resource based economy, so effectively we've just put $500 a month back in someones pocket right there, PROVIDED that the greenhouse part is well managed and that the compost & humanure is recycled properly. By keeping the greenhouses cellular and separate it prevents plant diseases and possible pests from spreading, and more importantly both of these moves prevent economic bottlenecking by aristocrats intent on raising prices through artificial scarcity and reduce health costs associated with poor nutrition. Note: this only applies to small plants Trees, Grains, and Hemp require larger operations.

The next part is public mass transportation. Movement east west can be established through the use of cost effective rail systems be it monorail, tubular railroad, or hyperloop. while north south movement of only a few thousand feet may be accomplished by using Wed Way People Movers. This plus a walkability in the module probably not exceeding 20 minutes from any point eventually eliminate the need for cars and other fossil fuel vehicles. This eliminates congestion, traffic accidents and reduces pollution hence it lowers health costs and insurance costs. It also eliminates the maintenance costs, fuel costs, and insurance costs of owning a car which in many cases can take up a third of a person's take home pay today. By placing the US arco on I-80 the arco benefits from connection to both oceans directly, through the great lakes and through access to the Mississippi river.

Now here is where things get interesting for arcology to work properly each arcology module must be self sufficient, durable and also productive. This means it must be expanded in its construction so each module has the necessary industry to survive, Thusly hemp and cotton greenhouses are needed for its textile industries, recyclers are need for all the waste, 3D printing On Demand becomes the norm in businesses with (3dCAD Designers in high demand) and reduces waste, Heavy industries are needed to for manufacturing replacement parts for the infrastructure, laundromats, hospitals and schools are needed. So each of these economic things must be taken into account each module is in effect a self contained town with all its necessary hinterland built in. Now in constructing these I have already outlined rent to own, but as these are built these jobs start appearing. This is the crucial phase where the arco takes the social order and places it back into the hands of the people that live in it, it does this by only allowing worker owned worker operated businesses (co-ops) within its structure. This is an essential survival move in that co-op have a around an 8% failure rate compared to the 30% or so failure rate among the standard totalitarian model that currently dominates 95% of the US economy currently.

Eventually over generations the need for money will disappear and the move to resource based economy takes hold each person around the globe is allotted a specific amount of different available resources and it is there job to utilize them as needed and make sure the maintain their recycling renewable cycle to maintain this individual "wealth". When this is accomplished people will move to doing work voluntarily because it is what they do or they feel it is necessary for the community of the planet as a whole. This all frees up an enormous amount of time (perhaps 20 hours a week) that can be used in fulfilling pursuits such as science, art, literature, music, and arco, improvemnts. The motto of society can then become "Per Audacia ad astra, ad infinitium et ultra" where everyone works toward a better tomorrow instead of eing concerned with one's own self serving ends. (yes I know I'm being idealistic.)

In moving the population to arcologies we reduce the amount of resources we need and can deconstruct & recycle those that we currently use to be allotted into the resource based economy. The land can be ceded back to the original inhabitants in many cases and the can be assisted in forming their own arcologies where they desire and connected to the main rail lines and then the Earth can start repairing itself in earnest. Example we have lost 80% of the Earths Forest acreage since 1900 this would slowly be restored as would the amount we lost previous to 1900. We have lost 50% of the animal population of the planet since 1970 and this would be allowed to rebound back to pre industrial levels as well, though we may never be able to repopulate some extinct species.

This will become even more intriguing with the likelihood of the Technological Singularity occurring between 2028 and 2033. Which brings up a need for a host of issues regarding constitutional amendment recognizing People Who Are Mechanical Lifeforms , also downloaded minds in cyborgs, as well as replacing the racist word "robot" (slave) with "automaton" (Mechanism that moves on its own.) in the common language .

December 22, 2014
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That would require a changing of hearts which is something that, though they constantly attempt, rulers cannot accomplish and, I assume, the 'We' in the subject line refers to the people who are nothing if not a society of laws; government will always be there representing and comprised of 'the people'.

"Aquatank" wrote: Eventually over generations the need for money will disappear and the move to resource based economy takes hold each person around the globe is allotted a specific amount of different available resources and it is there job to utilize them as needed and make sure the maintain their recycling renewable cycle to maintain this individual "wealth". When this is accomplished people will move to doing work voluntarily because it is what they do or they feel it is necessary for the community of the planet as a whole. This all frees up an enormous amount of time (perhaps 20 hours a week) that can be used in fulfilling pursuits such as science, art, literature, music, and arco, improvemnts. The motto of society can then become "Per Audacia ad astra, ad infinitium et ultra" where everyone works toward a better tomorrow instead of eing concerned with one's own self serving ends. (yes I know I'm being idealistic.)

That sounds like something I read from a communitarian/Third Way website or article; except for your disclaimer at the end. Again, Aquatank, this has been attempted throughout history and failed so i'll not rehash that debate, but can you tell me why you think it has a chance of working this time. Because the idea or goal is grander or more noble? If attempted many people will again perish, imo.

And I counter with this paragraph in the preface by Niki Raapana and Nordica Friedrich to their books 2020: Our Common Destiny and The Definitive Anti Communitarian Manifesto ...

"I love my country. I love our rise-and-grind people. But we are being
robbed, and we are letting it happen. We have been reduced to assets and
tradeable commodities for people who are already unfathomably rich. To the
bewilderment of many hard-working, honest Americans, the billionaires
[ 2020]
working "for" us in our government spend unrealistic amounts of our tax
dollars to fund war-drunk world powers, encourage sustainable growth in
developing countries, and stomp out free enterprise at home. Choking out
legitimate commerce between adults makes absolutely no sense in a time
when loosening of regulations would create wealth immediately, but the
Greening of America has done just the opposite. We could prosper in
everything from manufacturing and basic commodities trading, to our own
logistics, travel, real estate, entertainment, gambling, production of food
products, beverages, supplements, medicine and drugs, but we are not. The
black market is created by criminalizing the most ancient, established modes
of commerce using psychology and advertising methods to convince people
that restricting economic freedom is necessary. Denied the right to develop
our own resources and forbidden to determine best use of our own property
and assets, we cannot possibly consider ourselves a free people. Political
economy is dead, long live the empire."

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison

December 22, 2014
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When has the technology in history been available to generationally transition from a monetary based economy into a full resource based economy? The basic problem with the structures we currently have in place have two major flaws first artificial constriction of the flow of resources (Bottlenecking) and the flow of money (Money Hoarding) these can both attributed to the desires of the global financial aristocracy, it is these manipulations that also cause war for the most part. History is filled with wars, but history is short a few thousand years, archaeology into prehistory shows no evidence of war. So the obvious problem comes down to that socio-economic=political system and the resource distribution created in the historical record is deeply flawed or at least rigged for the benefit of the financial aristocracy. There is another inherent flaw and this applies to ALL system whether we are resource based or monetary based there will always be slackers, doesn't matter what the politics or economics are, they will always exist. Winston Churchhill once said something along the lines of "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." Well we have tried the current various system of monetary based economies for millennia now and very few do not change drastically over a period of 400 years or less, and many nations rise and fall in that window. 75 year cycles of economic depression is common. This is where we can look to arcology, it hasn't really been tried in earnest, and neither has a nation ever been 95% or higher co-op. Furthermore, there is an inherent anti-slacker system built into the system, for the home units people to survive they must maintain their unit hydroponic food production. A slacker in a single unit is forced into the situation of becoming a pariah if s/he cannot maintain the simplest bit of survival skill of maintaining their own food supply. The largest issue then becomes not slackers, but inspiring people to become maintenance personal in a system with heavy durability built in, this is where society must rid itself of the social stigma against janitors, handypersons, & waste management personnel because are the necessity of continued survival. But as I said there is a long transition period involved. At first arcos will be little more than inexpensive condos with shopping with mass transit, malls attached, and factories nearby but making them co-op they have longer term survival chances for business especially since the business are oriented to their particular customer base the occupants of the arcos, as time goes by the occupants realize they are self sufficient this means the need to gather resources from abroad is minimized, and if the need is minimized then demand is low if demand is low the impetus for war for those resources is also low. With a fully co-op system the financial aristocracy loses power as self sufficiency & resource abundance sets in they have nothing they can offer the people to have control over them. In the end the evaporation of wealth from the bottom 10 % of the population, that trickle up effect into the coffers of the money hoard disappears and the hoard itself loses value as meaningless. Without meaning money is worthless, without money the aristocracy loses power, when they lose power because of abundant resources the lose the influence needed to commit the armed robbery that is war.

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It appears you still don't get my point about people or, if so, you double down on the idea that individual liberty should be diminished and, eventually, completely eradicated. Where is freedom when people are forced to live in the communitarian society you describe. Sure; try this experiment on a volunteer basis and you may have some success because many people would choose to live in this communal type setting. But, aside from slacking, people have this pesky habit of wanting to be free and, without force, these freedom loving people would form their own society and soon would become a beacon of hope to the rest of the world. We call it America. No technology is going to extinguish people's desire to be free so it comes down to force and the ones that would apply that force are the very ones who you (naively, imo) think can be supplanted by this grand experiment. WAKE UP , Aquatank, you're doing the masters' work for them.

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison

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