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Camp: Private Pa. Pool turned away Black kids
July 10, 2009
5:57 pm
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Jul 9, 11:04 PM (ET)

By RON TODT
HUNTINGDON VALLEY, Pa. (AP) - Members and officials of a private swimming pool in a predominantly white Philadelphia suburb reacted to a visiting group of minority children by asking them not to return and pulling other kids out of the water, a day camp director said, and the state is investigating.

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The Creative Steps camp in northeast Philadelphia had contracted for the 65 children at the day camp to go each Monday afternoon to The Valley Club in Huntingdon Valley, camp director Alethea Wright said Thursday. But shortly after they arrived June 29, she said, some black and Hispanic children reported hearing racial comments.

"A couple of the children ran down saying, 'Miss Wright, Miss Wright, they're up there saying, "What are those black kids doing here?"'" she said.

The gated club is on a leafy hillside in a village that straddles two townships with overwhelmingly white populations. It says it has a diverse, multiethnic membership.

Wright said she went to talk to a group of members at the top of the hill and heard one woman say she would see to it that the group, made of up of children in kindergarten through seventh grade, did not return.

"Some of the members began pulling their children out of the pool and were standing around with their arms folded," Wright said. "Only three members left their children in the pool with us."

Several days later, the club refunded the camp's $1,950 without explanation, said Wright, who added that some parents are "weighing their options" on legal action.

The Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission will immediately investigate, chairman Stephen A. Glassman said Thursday.

"Allegedly, this group was denied the use of a pool based on their race," Glassman said. "If the allegations prove to be true, this is illegal discrimination."

The investigation was requested by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., issued a statement calling the allegations "extremely disturbing" and said he was looking into the matter.

The United States' highest-profile black swimmer, Olympic gold medalist Cullen Jones, said "hearing about what's happened to these 65 kids is both disturbing and appalling."

Chuck Wielgus, executive director of USA Swimming, the governing body for the U.S. swim team, was stunned at the accusations.

"This is the sort of thing you'd hear about in 1966, during the height of the civil rights movement, not in 2009, and not in the City of Brotherly Love, of all places," he said.

Club president John Duesler told Philadelphia television station WTXF that several club members complained because the children "fundamentally changed the atmosphere" at the pool but that the complaints didn't involve race.

In a statement released on its Web site Thursday afternoon, the club called the allegations of racial discrimination "completely untrue" and claimed overcrowding from more than one outside camp was the problem.

"We had originally agreed to invite the camps to use our facility, knowing full well that the children from the camps were from multiethnic backgrounds," it said. "Unfortunately, we quickly learned that we underestimated the capacity of our facilities and realized that we could not accommodate the number of children from these camps."

The club said it "deplores discrimination."

"Whatever comments may or may not have been made by an individual member is an opinion not shared by The Valley Club Board," it said.

Amy Goldman said she's been a member of the club for two years. She said the pool wasn't particularly crowded and the children from Creative Steps were "well behaved and respectful."

She said there had been black members at the club in the past, though she couldn't remember seeing any this year.

The club appeared closed Thursday afternoon, and the guard station at the entrance was unattended.

About two dozen protesters, most of them white, held signs in front of the club's locked gates and chanted slogans including, "Jim Crow swims here!"

Spencer Lewis, from Conshohocken, showed up with some young nieces and nephews and said he believes the club owes the children an apology.

"I don't believe everyone here has racist thoughts, but what was said was insulting and offensive," said Lewis, who's black.

Wright rejected the overcrowding explanation, saying the club covers 10 acres with a "nice-sized" pool and a separate pool for younger children. The board, she said, knew that her group included 65 children, and none of them had misbehaved.

"We were not welcome, once the members saw who we were," she said.

Wright said that the children were upset and that she was looking for a psychologist to speak to them next week. Some children have asked her whether they are "too dark" to swim in the pool, she said.

Day camp member Araceli Carvalho, 9, said she was upset when told she wouldn't be allowed to return.

"I said, 'That's not right,'" she said.

But when asked if she wants to return now, she said, "I don't want to swim here anymore."

Wright said Girard College, a boarding school for poor children in first through 12th grades, has offered to host the camp children for the summer.

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SR: Send them down to Billy's Place.....

He has a swimming facility with nice alligators and water moccasins to play with ! :mrgreen:

July 10, 2009
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Blacks kicked-out and banned from ever returning after one afternoon's behaviour! That's about right.

This is what the ordinary people think and that's why they go to private clubs and not to government-run pools where the Blacks and other problem-races go wild and chimp-out.

Those Whites alleged to have protested outside the pool to allow the Blacks back to that pool live in gated communities and don't know what these creatures are like. If they and their families get to enjoy swimming with those minawties they'd soon STFU.

July 11, 2009
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I've got a half brother who is half black, and I find it ridiculous that you figure they're a difference race then whites. It's offensive really.

It doesn't matter what colour your skin is, you are a result of your experiences whether you are white, black, hispanic or whatever. We're talking about kids from the ages of 6-13 being told not to return because they're black, that's fucked up no matter what spin you put on it.

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

July 11, 2009
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Baloney.

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July 11, 2009
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"Tairaa" wrote: I've got a half brother who is half black,

* Sorry to hear it.

...and I find it ridiculous that you figure they're a difference race then whites.

* Blacks are homoerectus, not homosapiens sapiens. The Blacks are an advanced homoerectus - if it makes you happier.

It's offensive really.

* I can understand why it would be in your circumstances.

It doesn't matter what colour your skin is, you are a result of your experiences whether you are white, black, hispanic or whatever.

* Baloney.

We're talking about kids from the ages of 6-13 being told not to return because they're black, that's fucked up no matter what spin you put on it.

* No. It was because of their behaviour.

July 11, 2009
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Typical behaviour.

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July 11, 2009
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Yup, typical behaviour for plenty of 6-13 year old kids, black or white. You don't have to go far in the UK these days to see gangs of little kids of any race 'chimping-out'. Their behaviour is upbringing, not genetic.

"mael" wrote: * Blacks are homoerectus, not homosapiens sapiens. The Blacks are an advanced homoerectus - if it makes you happier.

Yeah, course they are, all the anthropologists must be wrong. I think that kind of thinking makes you happier. 😉

July 11, 2009
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* Blacks are homoerectus, not homosapiens sapiens. The Blacks are an advanced homoerectus - if it makes you happier.

Sorry Mael, you're wrong. We're anatomically identical, believe me or not.

It IS the sum of your experiences, or has Percival said: "Their behaviour is upbringing, not genetic."

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

July 11, 2009
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my favorite part about this forum......people get in trouble for voicing opinions about homosexual rights and the racist douche bags of America (and where ever the F you are from) come here to talk crap about other races because they can hide behind a screen.

well keep it up friends because if you said that mess to any of our faces you wouldnt be heard from again
Laugh

btw i would take my time

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July 11, 2009
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"Tairaa" wrote:

* Blacks are homoerectus, not homosapiens sapiens. The Blacks are an advanced homoerectus - if it makes you happier.

Sorry Mael, you're wrong. We're anatomically identical, believe me or not.

Though Mael is a fool, and says a lot of idiotic things to get a rise out of people, races are far from being anatomically identical, whites are as anatomically different from blacks as males are from females. How exactly do you think they can tell the race of a dead person based entirely on bones?

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