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Boy Scouts vote to allow gay scouts
May 24, 2013
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2030 ... couts.html

The move ends a ban that’s existed throughout the organization’s 103-year history, but the reversal does not extend to openly gay adults, who are still not allowed to serve as scoutmasters or participate in other leadership roles.

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May 24, 2013
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This makes a real interesting philosophy to scouting in general, as to what avenues parents would choose as good and wholesome paths to take when their children become shool ages, K-12. Most have a family path within their given religions along with other activities. Many pick a path of Little League starting with T-ball. Many pick soccer leagues. Some pick scouting which starts in 1st grade with cub scouts. Parents want to guide their children in a way that they can get them all the way through grade 12, and on to College or higher education when they have become young adults.

It is a strategic path with many pitfalls and perils, many of which a parent can guide them over, and around, and many a child has to tackle on his/her own. They will all have the pier pressure of many many things, and have to be the master of their own ships, so the parents give them that toolbox of doing this. Part of that toolbox may be filled with the teaching of your churches and religions, a spiritual sense of right and wrong, moral or immoral. Schools teach some of this, in how to share, and get along, treat others, as to most sports programs. Schools now are forcing parents to have to have their children hear mixed messages, which many parents do not condone for their child. Scouting may be another one of those avenues parents select to start with, sometimes it jives with your child and sometimes it isn't the right thing so you switch gears. John loved cub scouts, but the boy scout group just wasn't for him, which was mostly a reflection on the leaders and group, and what they did, just was not fun like we made our cub scout den.

This issue has a bit of a double edge sword to it. On one hand the scout oath and scout law, requires a scout to be kind of everyone, and never discriminate, so one has to also include anyone who is thinking they are gay. A scout is suppose to respect all people in his oath and scout law. Not allowing a child who thinks they are gay is openly discriminating, and goes against their own scout laws. The other part of that scouts oath and law is to not give in to temptations, an to always be morally straight. Meaning, a scout would not break the law, give in to temptations of drugs, and other temptations of a 10-18 year old, including sexual promiscuity.

The paradox if you call it that is a completely straight boy scout is expected to remain sexually inactive, you also expect the completely gay boy scout to do the same thing, in order to fulfill his oath and scout law. It is a little like saying openly adulteress boys, having active sex with their girlfriends are allowed to be scouts. The concept totally violates the scout laws and oath, and neither is appropriate. How you can allow either and profess the scout oath, is not realistic, and what the 2 words in the Oath should mean, when You declare you will be "morally straight". Allowing active adultery in either a gay scout or straight scout, is not a part of scouting.

May 25, 2013
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Adultery requires a person be married.

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May 25, 2013
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For the lack of better terms using the word "adultery" which has different legal definitions in different states, as well as other cultures, substitute that with "sexually active". A straight scout is expected to not be sexually active, and a gay scout would be expected to also to not be sexually active, if he is to be true to scout oath, and scout law. If either would be sexually active, with another minor child, they would not be considered "Morally Straight", which is their oath.

May 25, 2013
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Is this your definition of morally straight or is this officially part of a scout's oath?

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May 25, 2013
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Were you ever a scout, a den or troop leader? Read the scout law, and scout oath a scout takes, if you weren't. That is how it reads, not my invention to be morally straight. Scout law has a list of traits a boy is to adhere to and several would address these issues, such as obedience to God, obeying rules, and maintaining the standards of being a clean scout, in thoughts and deeds. It doesn't take a mathematical formula to figure out what "Morally Straight" may include, or what it means, long before this issue to allow gay scouts.

May 26, 2013
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I read the oath and law. It says morally straight but what is unclear is whether this applies to sexual activity. Given that many people in the boy scouts are young minors, I would in principle categorize their sexual activity under morally straight. But once they hit 18 at the very latest, being morally straight does not mean abstinence.

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May 26, 2013
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It is not confusing to me at all what Morally straight would mean. It is not much more confusing from what you learned in catechism about Mortal and Venial sins. You know when you are lying, cheating and stealing, and you know when things are wrong, should not be done, and considered crossing the line of immorality. We aren't inventing the wheel here, anyone with as much knowledge you have of the Bible on the other forum, can figure out what Morally straight means. Not to mention gay or straight, a boy knows what is expected, doing his duty to God, regarding sexual activity.

These are boys, they are minors, from grade school age to the end of high school, where they have rules and regulations, and a standards, that clearly are different from when they become 18 year old adult, free to enlist in the Military, or have a beer in some states. I'm pretty sure the majority of those turning 18 are finished for the most part with boy scouts, but a few may have a short time period, they turn 18 and only a few months from High School graduation. There are other programs but most move on, go to college, or join the military.

May 26, 2013
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I think it's great that they are allowing homosexuals..openly gay boys to join.

also..being gay does not mean you are committing adultery..in some states and countries..they can wait until marriage

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

May 26, 2013
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"bionic" wrote: I think it's great that they are allowing homosexuals..openly gay boys to join.

also..being gay does not mean you are committing adultery..in some states and countries..they can wait until marriage

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