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September 10, 2011
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Just found an interesting image on Google Earth. A picture of two black helicopters on the ground in Area 51. Interesting since the government denies any knowledge of these mysterious helicopters.

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September 10, 2011
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Hey Bro...........what do ya think they use em for? Why must they be black? Only fly at night or something?

Local LE / Gov't denies the presence of all ATF and DHS in the immediate area as well.............black unmarked vehicles ..............but they are here and I see them about all the time, but I know what I'm looking at when I see it................not sure about any black birds, other than the ones stealing from the finches that is...lol

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September 10, 2011
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It is not black aircraft per se ..that concerns me.

It is black aircraft without an serial numbers painted on them. I have seen three such aircraft on a base which were surrounded by guards and guard dogs.

Many black aircraft have serial numbers or sometimes called Tail Numbers on them but painted in a low visibility paint such that you must be near them to see it.

What is strange is when you see an aircraft with no tail or serial number at all.

Now you are really going over to the dark side...Luke!!!

This kind of thing worries me because ...more and more you see government and government peoples ..our very leaders....taking the stance that our enemies are not from without but within...and you see them deliberately trying to fractionalize America and Americans. They are not uniters..but dividers...divide and conquer.

Some people use the word Balkanize or Balkanization to describe this current trend among much of our leadership in dividing people into opposing groups....Leadership who also have charge of such aircraft.

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September 12, 2011
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"orangetom1999" wrote: It is not black aircraft per se ..that concerns me.

It is black aircraft without an serial numbers painted on them. I have seen three such aircraft on a base which were surrounded by guards and guard dogs.

Many black aircraft have serial numbers or sometimes called Tail Numbers on them but painted in a low visibility paint such that you must be near them to see it.

What is strange is when you see an aircraft with no tail or serial number at all.

Now you are really going over to the dark side...Luke!!!

This kind of thing worries me because ...more and more you see government and government peoples ..our very leaders....taking the stance that our enemies are not from without but within...and you see them deliberately trying to fractionalize America and Americans. They are not uniters..but dividers...divide and conquer.

Some people use the word Balkanize or Balkanization to describe this current trend among much of our leadership in dividing people into opposing groups....Leadership who also have charge of such aircraft.

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Orangetom

Yes indeed................they have been working at this for decades now.................much of what they attempt can be heard in some of the most popular music of the time, music is one of the Machines best forms of control/influence know to man. Some of those who don't play along have short careers, fade away, of go down in small planes.

Anyway, good post. Something to keep an eye on for sure.

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September 12, 2011
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Cole Trickle,

Over a number of years I have been involved in shipbuilding..in particular ..submarines and aircraft carriers. I have also worked commercial shipping.

What you learn though it is not taught directly to the builders..is that the most efficient stealth platform for certain of intelligence gathering is a submarine.

Submarines are also very very efficient in hunting other submarines.

But what began to dawn on me after years of this type of work..is that we spy and gather intelligence on our friends as well as our enemies. And that except for certain priorities ..there is little distinction made here in friends as well as enemies.

It is only a small shift to treating your own people as an enemy. And it does not take much of a shift at all..to switch to spying on your own people.

But those of us with a television/movie/public education ..would have a hard time comprehending this from our elected officials....that they don't really trust us..and must needs constantly divide and control us with dogmas like..."Tax Breaks for the Rich." "Racism" and others.

In like manner and many years ago...a handful of us shipbuilders could not understand why someone would build an extremely expensive Hubble Telescope to look into deep space when there was no efficient propulsion system devised to get a machine there and return confirmations of all the theories devised by the scientists.
It just seemed like a huge waste of monies to look into deep space when there were more immediate needs for the planet and our peoples.

This was when one of the thinkers amongst us blurted out...Good Grief!!! They are not looking into deep space..they are looking down here and with one of the clearest..most expensive telescopes in service!!
The deep space is a cover story sold to peoples who have watched to much Star Wars and Star Trek. These people would buy into the story lock stock and barrel.

IN like manner the USS United States was sold to the public as a luxury ocean liner..but one of its prime purposes was as a very fast troop transport in times of war.
I have been on the USS United States. She has an engine room and propellers similar to what is on an Aircraft Carrier of that time. She is indeed a race horse.
But most people..by preconditioning ..kept their eyes on the Luxury liner theme..the glitter and glitz.... while to the side..unseen and unknown by most..another stage is set and ready to be used.

Well..I think you get the patten of that to which I am alluding Cole Trickle.

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September 12, 2011
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So whats your point, that commercial and military variants or technology sometimes gets used on one another. You have commercial airline technology that was born from military programs and research. We have had telescopes capable of counting the rivits on Skylab when it was in trouble in the 60's from the ground, and could read a cars licence plate when Nixon was President from space. They made some of this public when the shuttle lost tiles in the beginning missions, when they checked them out from the ground. Military sattelites are nothing new.

You are just worried they can read your church books from space and see if you are cheating on the giving plates on Sunday. Laugh They can see when you grab a little change, when you drop that quarter on the plate. Laugh

As for stealth, thank God we have it. Look at the lives it has saved in recent wars. Ours not theres! :clap:

September 13, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: So whats your point, that commercial and military variants or technology sometimes gets used on one another. You have commercial airline technology that was born from military programs and research. We have had telescopes capable of counting the rivits on Skylab when it was in trouble in the 60's from the ground, and could read a cars licence plate when Nixon was President from space. They made some of this public when the shuttle lost tiles in the beginning missions, when they checked them out from the ground. Military sattelites are nothing new.

You are just worried they can read your church books from space and see if you are cheating on the giving plates on Sunday. Laugh They can see when you grab a little change, when you drop that quarter on the plate. Laugh

As for stealth, thank God we have it. Look at the lives it has saved in recent wars. Ours not theres! :clap:

Why must you try to turn every topic into a pissing contest? As for reading license plates, counting rivets .............( spelled with an e that is ) and all the other stuff big brother tells you................you'd be wise to take it with a grain of salt..................it may just explain all those fuzzy very low res moon pics floating around the world..one would think that people would have figured some of this stuff out by now but I digress.

...Since you seem to enjoy argument for arguments sake................have at it....take Tom on in a brain wrestling contest, I'd love to watch........................go ahead make my day.............I double dawg dare ya.

Anyway I think the point was that you're looking at choppers that are not supposed to exist, which goes directly to my point about the things big brother tells you and whether or not it's fact, propaganda, or flat out lies.

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September 13, 2011
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Cole Trickle,

My thanks for your vote of confidence. But I am not interested in such contests of seeing who has the biggest one. None of that interests me.

However ...all the gadgetry and gimmickry per se is not my main point.

This stuff is wonderful gadgetry and gimmickry.

But that of which I am given to question is the integrity of our leaders who have Carte Blanche use of this stuff.

This along with the realization, made clear with the passing of more time, of what an insecure bunch of peoples are in leadership positions.
These are peoples with educations so to speak..people of letters. I am given to wonder about their real motives.. or the motives of their "handlers."
Yet as time goes by ..they exhibit a type of lack of leadership..but more divide and conquer..blaming others ..to the point it becomes obvious that they do not trust the American peoples. They are to me reaching the point where they no longer try to hide it.
Divide and Conquer is to me..not leadership..it is manipulation...by stealth.

This was a shock to me when they were bold enough to mention returning veterans as a possible threat. If they would do this to returning veterans ..what would they think of the rest of us?? Not difficult to plot a line from this pattern of thinking.

And these people have their fingers on the triggers of this kind of stealth gear and more......."The Football" as well!

You can have the most modern military in the world..with gear and equipment ...the important question often missed..is what is the allegiance of the military leadership and their bosses..the civilian leadership??? Are they political appointees..or is their loyalty to the people of this country....verses a political party and it's "Devout Dogmas."

This Greeny 2 is my main concern. Not the gadgetry per se. I am aware going back to the "Ugly Stick" fishing rods..and also the golf clubs ....graphite technology...that much of this gear was developed for the military. And some of it ..is so expensive that the military would be the main users of it.

I know a fellow who is a commercial passenger pilot. He tells me that they do not use inertial navigation platforms on domestic airlines as it is to expensive to buy and or maintain. They do use it on long distance overseas fights particularly for over water navigation. For domestic uses they use variations of radio navigation.

Inertial Navigation was a quantum leap for the military when it was devised as was also Doppler radar navigation. Doppler radar in the olde days particularly for long over water runs. But these were and still are expensive systems. Doppler radar has pretty much been replaced with inertial systems and other electronic gear.

Yes the military and space programs have wonderful gadgetry...but both are falling under the control of politicians who ..like the English...are more interested in the votes necessary to keep and maintain power at public expense...ie ..the public purse.

In a different arena I am also aware of the plethora of lubricants out there which the ordinary public never sees and doesn't know exists. Much of it commercial/industrial and also in use by and for the military. And some of it very very expensive. Not stuff one sees at Auto Zone or Advance Auto et al.
The military must be buying up huge lots of this stuff.

Nonetheless..my concern here is for the integrity of the leadership. And I question this ..both Republican and Democrat. And should another party make it into office..I would examine them as close as possible and question them as well.
As Americans we have that right......for now.

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September 13, 2011
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Hey Cole, nothing new about me admitting for years I'm the worst speller here, but I never let any of the abusive, nasty, condesending, know it all, blowhard windbags, chase me off. I'm just glad you were never one of those guys. Laugh See how nice OrangeTom can be? :thumbup:

September 14, 2011
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Greeny 2 and Cole Trickle.

Wow!!!

The timing could not have been more perfect.

Here from my previous post...about an insecure administration. Mind you now ..they have not been the only insecure administration but they are more obvious about it.

This stuff is wonderful gadgetry and gimmickry.

But that of which I am given to question is the integrity of our leaders who have Carte Blanche use of this stuff.

This along with the realization, made clear with the passing of more time, of what an insecure bunch of peoples are in leadership positions.
These are peoples with educations so to speak..people of letters. I am given to wonder about their real motives.. or the motives of their "handlers."
Yet as time goes by ..they exhibit a type of lack of leadership..but more divide and conquer..blaming others ..to the point it becomes obvious that they do not trust the American peoples. They are to me reaching the point where they no longer try to hide it.
Divide and Conquer is to me..not leadership..it is manipulation...by stealth.

This was a shock to me when they were bold enough to mention returning veterans as a possible threat. If they would do this to returning veterans ..what would they think of the rest of us?? Not difficult to plot a line from this pattern of thinking.

And these people have their fingers on the triggers of this kind of stealth gear and more......."The Football" as well!

You can have the most modern military in the world..with gear and equipment ...the important question often missed..is what is the allegiance of the military leadership and their bosses..the civilian leadership??? Are they political appointees..or is their loyalty to the people of this country....verses a political party and it's "Devout Dogmas."

I just found out that the White House and the Democrats have a site called Attackwatch.com

http://my.barackobama.com/page.....wire-today

I was shocked. Such and insecure thing for someone in a leadership position...they are watching their own people..not threats from foreigners or foreign reasons.

They are worried about public dissent. A phenomenon for which every previous President has had to contend...they must watch back....built lists and catalogs of opposition.

Was this not the very thing for which the Democrats went after Richard Nixon and the Republicans. Now they do it and don't remember the track record of history.

This also strongly hints at "Entitlement " beliefs..ie...royalty...Divine Right of Kings.

Belief...entitlement..a devout religious belief of entitlement.

It most certainly is not an American Phenomenon..but it is notable of Marxist/Socialist governments to be so open with this.

Talk about open undisguised insecurity. You can only do this, turn on the American People, if you think you are "Entitled." Unaccountable...Unquestionable, Unchallengeable. Royalty.

And these people have their fingers on this high tech gadgetry and also the "Football????"

Think about it. The timing could not have been more perfect.

Thanks,
Orangetom

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