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Birk: 'I was not left with any options other than to fire'
January 12, 2011
5:26 pm
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The cop who murdered the wood carver homeless man is on trial right now. The most interesting thing to me is the comments. I haven't read any comments that support the cop. Also notice the part in the story where other officers said the knife was CLOSED. This guy needs to go to prison, for second or third degree murder.

http://www.komonews.com/news/l.....17259.html

SEATTLE -- For the first time since he fatally shot a woodcarver, Officer Ian Birk took the stand.

Strained looks crossed the faces of Birk and his wife as the courtroom heard exactly what transpired in the seconds leading up to the moment John T. Williams was shot and killed.

Then it was Birk's turn to take the stand.

"And I immediately noticed he had a knife in his hand. That time of day, being downtown, that caused me to be concerned," he said.

King County ordered an inquest into Birk's shooting of Williams last August, which was captured by the dash cam in Birk's patrol car.

The footage shows Williams cross the street in front of Birk's patrol car, carving knife in hand.

Birk said Williams seemed to be in an altered mental state. He said he ordered Williams to put the knife down, then opened fire when the man refused.

"At that time, I was not left with any options other than to fire at Mr. Williams, which I did," he said.

Det. Jeff Mudd, the lead detective in the case, also took the stand. Tom Ford, the attorney representing the Williams' family, asked the detective to demonstrate the distance that divided Birk and Williams before the shooting.

Birk has said Williams waved the knife at him, but fellow officers found the pocket knife with the blade closed.

When Ford asked, "Did you see Mr. Williams do anything that posed a threat to any member of the public on this video?" Mudd answered, "Not on that video."

Williams' family members who packed the courtroom called the incident a senseless killing and a criminal act.

"We would like to see justice done for John T. Williams, and we want Officer Ian Birk to be charged with first-degree murder. Justice has to be served," said Feanette Blackbear, a friend of Williams.

But Birk said he felt an imminent threat to his life, and letting Williams walk away wasn't an option.

"As a police officer, I feel like it's my job to look into those situation on behalf of other people," he said.

The inquest will resume on Wednesday, and Birk is expected to return to the stand. About 30 other witnesses are expected to testify.

Prosecutors will use the inquest jury's findings to help decide whether a criminal charge against Birk is warranted.

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January 12, 2011
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One is more likely to be killed by a cop than to be killed by any terrorist, government plant or otherwise. Cops have been running amuck for a very long time. There was an incident not too long ago that was reported by the alternative press which documented police officers coming into a house because the parents had a quote "small amount of pot", apparently enough for a misdemeanor charge.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/201 ... mily-home/

The video is in the link.

The SWAT Storm Troopers stormed in and shot the dog 7 times in front of the 7 year old. The parents were charged with "child endangerment".

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January 12, 2011
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There is a video to this story too. I just haven't watched it. This is a very sad story. This guy who was murdered was homeless, a drunk, an American Indian and hard of hearing. He was harmless. It happened around 4 in the afternoon with lot's of people walking around. None of those people thought this guy was a threat. Nobody was running away from him. But this cop thought a closed knife was a threat against him while in his car. Give me a break!

At least, like I said before, the comments section shows nobody believes the cop.

On top of all this, the knife was a legal 3 inch blade knife. The poor victim didn't do anything wrong!

The cop needs to go to prison! He is a murderer!

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

January 12, 2011
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Here is another cop gone wild. He shot a motorcyclist when he reached for cigarettes.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010 ... eputy-says

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January 12, 2011
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They got one of their own last night in Baltimore. Man what a armpit location---plainclothes Undercover Det---and a paying customer--both shot, both killed.

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January 12, 2011
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I've never been to Baltimore.

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January 13, 2011
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Several years ago I was working for the Department of Developmentally Disabled. I was an Assisted Living provider for mentally handicapped adults. One of my clients was a forty year old man with the mentality of a twelve year old. I live in a small town (6000 people), where everyone knows everyone else. Most people in town knew Gary. He was likable for the most part but, could occasionally be somewhat annoying. Once in awhile he got into trouble, just because he didn't know any better. He wasn't violent, and certainly not a criminal. Like any kid of twelve years old, Gary like toys.

A couple of years after I stopped working for DDD, Gary had gotten a new toy that he was playing with outside his home. It was a paintball gun. From what I heard it was a broken paintball gun that never worked in the first place. But, since he was carrying it around outside, he was stopped by the police. While I wasn't there I am pretty sure of what happened. The cop had drawn his gun and was yelling at Gary to put down the paintball gun. Because of Gary's mental condition, he got confused easily. And, Gary's reaction when he wasn't sure what to do, was to do nothing. The cop shot him three times, killing him. The judge said it was justified. I disagree. If I had been there, if anyone else who knew Gary had been there, he would have just given them the gun with no argument. The cop is to blame for the situation ending the way it did.

January 15, 2011
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What kind of paintball gun was it?

This is a paintball gun too:
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And if some guy had that and didn't drop it when I told him to I would blow him away as well. Though it is a truly unfortunate incident, if he had what appeared to be a weapon....

Now on the other hand if he had something like this:

Then it's a bit of a different story.

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

January 15, 2011
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Halfabo, I'm sorry to hear that story.

My boyfriend told me a story of walking down the street with airsoft guns. He and his son and some friends were in the woods playing Rambo. Some cops stopped them. I have to describe the area he lives in. He lives on 10 acres. He lives 20 minutes by car from the closest town. This is a very rural area. Often I wake up and hear gun shots from duck hunters. He can go out to his porch and shoot his guns without cops getting called. But, yuppies are moving up there now.

So, some newbie idiot saw them walking down the street with nonlethal guns and called the cops. This is supposed to be an open carry state, for one thing. At least the cops were cool, but this should have never happened.

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January 15, 2011
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Yeah Nesaie, I think a big part of the problem is, people are getting more and more paranoid. Just the thought of someone carrying a knife or a gun and people panic. I think even the cops are scared every time the put on their uniform. In some places its like hanging a target on your back. Few people are willing to see that just because a person is carrying, doesn't necessarily make them dangerous.

It makes me think of the guy that started shooting up a college a few years back. I can't remember where it was or all the details now. But, he was stopped before he injured too many people, only because some of the students there had guns readily available in their cars. The students that stopped him, all had their guns legally with them, and those guns were used to stop a crime. People don't usually look at that side of the coin.

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I never saw what kind of paintball gun he had. I live in a small rural town, and have seen some of the guns that are sold in this area. I have yet to see any that look like an actual weapon. Most are colored plastic, or clear plastic. I haven't seen one yet that looks like gun metal. Still, in a town this size, and with us only having about a dozen police officers, I'm pretty sure the cop was familiar with the guy he killed.

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