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America's worst nuclear accident
January 14, 2015
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It's been some time since a post, due to my varying vision, but I need to post this before my neck surgery. This story has effected me my whole life. I have more than my opinion to back it, and I feel this was a crime beyond most. All the clean up personnel have died, most people involved are gone. Only the cancer survives, and very little money was given to victims. Feel free to approach me on the subject. It already took a family member.
The "entry art" where the park is located ( ground zero ) cost 10's of millions more than was spent on clean up. A sodium nuc cloud engulfed Simi Valley and the accident was deemed 264 times worse than 3 mile island. Ever heard any of this? Please look at the link, and discuss, thanks for the time, Jeff

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 385x565132

January 27, 2015
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I saw this post and read the links to my amusement. I got a good laugh out of it and reflected on something often done or more aptly not done in articles like those linked.

What is missing from the articles is radiation and contamination levels. One trained in the field does not know what the amount of damage or exposure is which took place unless one knows the radiation and contamination levels.

Unless you have this information's all you can do it speculate. Hence often these articles are nothing more than fear mongering in the minds of an uninformed public.

I have handled radioactive and contaminated materials. When you handle this stuff it has a special bright yellow tag attached to it and on this tag is recorded the radiation levels in a particular block and another block for the contamination levels.

When you work in areas where radioactive work is being done or monitored a survey map is filled out showing various radiation levels. Another survey map shows contamination levels.

I am not saying that something did not happen at this site..but what informations is missing from the article/articles.

None of this information is forthcoming in these articles. This is the information which tells you the current status of these sights/locations.

Otherwise all you have is a fear mongering article for the purpose of political capital.

Just my .02,

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January 28, 2015
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I'm not sure about how bad this accident really was, even if it is classified as the worst in the USA. Cancer rates in the Chatsworth area ( the north west corner of the San Fernanado Valley) I read one time was instead of 2 per 10,000 it was average of 3 per 10,000. Not sure the statistics in the adjoining Simi Valley. The bigger issue is the water table contamination issue. The Santa Susana Test facility would be best described as on the hilltops of the mountains separating the 2 valleys. You have all seen this area and probably never knew it, as that area was home of many western movie ranches, that included the Corriganville movie ranch, several others including the famed Spawn movie ranch where Charles Manson lived. If you ever watched westerns including The Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, Gene Autrys, and a slue of other shows, it was a stones throw from this site.

The Santa Susana site in question was the test site for both Rocketdyne and Atomics International, from the early 50's back when the area was mostly farms, ranches and orange groves. Approx 2000 acres was owned by North American Aviation and another 400 ares by the government, now NASA. The property went from North American to Rockwell Int. to Boeing, and for years a major clean up was done to all that land and donated back to the State. NASA still owns the remaining land, where the Nuclear leak occurred. I have driven past it many times it is not some grand scale nuclear power plant as you might imagine, it was actually quite small in footprint. Over the years thousands of employees worked on the Hill as we called it, that area was restricted, but you drove only a few hundred yards from from it going to other places on the hill. If you saw it you would say, "That's it, you are kidding".

From that time of the leak, both valleys have been totally developed, with combined populations of millions, and one area called Bell Canyon, is right next to the facility. A lot of lawsuits and public uproar, really forced the hill to be closed down over many years. When it was first built for use, it was a remote area well away from Los Angeles proper. If you lived in the Valleys you were accustomed to hearing the rocket engines tested for Apollo and the Space Shuttle, plus many other rocket tests.

Many claims of illness and deaths are claimed, I am not so sure about the claims.

February 2, 2015
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The poster here. I'm glad that people who didn't reside there or lost any loved ones can have an opinion 50 years later. Just because a company like Boing, Rocketdyne, or whoever doesn't get the hammer dropped on them, doesn't mean it didn't happen. All personell onsite are dead.
I've worked around dangerous stuff too, but the protective gear and protocals are far better now. Just becuase the link I left didn't suffice your questions, try looking around. There are crippled people who have won a lawsuit from this, only to die.
I only posted to keep up awareness that every day a Corp. will damage the Earth for profit. Your Aurguments carry wieght, but my life experiance with this is for real. Speculate, it doesn't dhange reality.

February 2, 2015
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I'm not so sure about the validity of many of these claims as to how many are legitimate, and how many jump on the band wagon gravy train. I am sure some may be real, but others are without merit, even though they may have lost loved ones to cancers, they do not know what caused it. They call it deep pocket awards and lawsuits. Juries of middle class citizens give big awards out against insurance companies, huge corporations, and the government. Consequently, they settle, even when they know the claims are not legitimate.

It is sad but true, industry over the last century has reeked havoc on the environment, including places that built and tested military things, using chemicals and toxic compounds. I grew up in Buffalo, New York, you should see what the steel mills did to Lake Erie. My Grandfather worked as a pipe fitter on the railroads, what he was exposed to asbestos was a huge environmental issue. Work conditions and what they did to surrounding areas was deplorable.

We have now gone so far overboard, we have forced companies to shut down, out source to other countries, or even move to other countries. The Santa Susana facility obviously began when the area was remote, but now obviously has grown solid with residential homes and communities. You should see what companies like mine have to do monitoring the exact same things you can buy at Home Depot. We have gone to ridiculous measures. That is another subject that would surprise people.

What I do know is Simi Valley boomed in housing since 1959, Chatsworth used to be horse trails and farms, how is gated multi-million dollar estates, as is Bell Canyon. All these place surround the facility by as close as a mile. 10s of Thousands of employees worked for Atomic int., Rocketdyne, in the Canoga Park Chatsworth plants, and on the Hill, are still living and retired today. thousands of people live on Wolsey cyn road, Box canyon and Chatsworth lake area. Thousands worked on the hill as their main facility, for 40 + years, retired and are alive today. Claiming a sign on the hill cost more than the measures to clean the area is not accurate. All the Boeing land was donated back for the use of public parks. Every bit of what I just said is at the place you call "Ground Zero". I would not hesitate to live in any of these places.

February 4, 2015
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I am wi th Greeny2 here on this.

I remember the Chernobyl accident back in the 1980s..that is about as bad as they come.

As a Nuclear worker myself..we have watched the video on both Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. It is standard safety video in Nuclear Training here at this shipyard.

This particular California accident is not on the training roster for study here but I will be bringing it up at the next refresher training session. I thank you for introducing me to this event.

I do however know what happened at the prototype reactor up around Idaho Falls, Idaho and that a number of people were killed in that incident and the reactor shut down and dismantled. That one is not generally told to the public. This Idaho incident too is quietly spoken about a in the trades. Most of the public does not know much about it at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

They are definitely not building around that site.

Nonetheless ...one involved in the trades knows to look for radiation reading and also contamination readings.

I know that background maps or survey maps are made of working sites daily and in some instances several times a day as the shifts come and go. Same thing with areas where radioactive material is stored.

As per my earlier post...I am not saying that nothing happened here. I am asking what are the readings.

Am in agreement with Greeny2 about all the development which took place there since.

I am wondering how much development took place in Love Canal, New York.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal

I also know that a lot of waste has been dumped down in Louisiana from Oil development as I know of Coast Guard People who have worked down there.

My point here is that there are a lot of nasty's going around of all types. What is not often given is detailed readings of the levels of contamination.. Or in this case of a nuclear reactor...both nuclear contamination and radiation.

That is the telling index there. The levels. It's absence is to me a warning flag.

I am all for being a good steward of that which Providence has blessed us. I am not into fear mongering.

Some years back I was in bank getting some cash just before shoving off to work and had on my TLD..or Thermo Illumine scent Dosimeter or Film Badge for short. The cashier asked me what it was and when I told her you could see the look of fear and uncertainty decend upon her face. With many people...all you have to say ..is Nuclear and they start shaking. It is as if someone hollered "SNAKE."

What is of interest to me is that even among the trades here ..the engineers ..they are not getting much information on the details of what is happening out in Fukashima, Japan. Engineers have a information exchange pipeline to many companies across the world...and they are getting very little outside of what the news outlets say. I find this to be interesting.....again ..the absence of information's/details.

Hope this helps,
Orangetom

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