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12 Atomic bombs were planned for Japan
August 15, 2015
12:19 am
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greeney2
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Today marks the 70th anniversary of the end of WW2 with Japan as they wisely surrendered on this day.  Had they not, and they were seriously thinking of fighting on after the Nagisaki bomb, a mistake after the Hiroshima bomb.  There was a plan to drop 12 bombs on many target in Japan, including Tokeo.  I was not aware of bombs beyond "Fat Man" and "Little Boy", but luckily for Japan they did not find out.  The link tells the story:

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....japan.html

August 18, 2015
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Unofficial stories I have heard from various speakers indicate that the Japanese were ready to surrender unconditionally in April/May of 1945.

But the bombers/bulldozers had not fully gone to work as of that time and prepared the ground for the new industries which were going to be built in Japan on the best real estate and at the best prices with the best labor.

This pattern also took place in Europe with the bombers/bulldozers preparing the best property at depression prices for the new up and coming industries with the best and cheapest skilled labor of the day.

Survivors from certain German Cities can tell you that certain industries/cities were leveled to the ground and others were spared...on a pattern.

This means that certain generals were working behind the scenes...

General Motors, General Foods, General Dynamics, and the Generals of other industries..including their banks and insurance industries.

From April/May 1945  unto the end much of the fire bombing took place all over Japan and which destroyed much more of that country and lives than did the two Atomic Bombs.

 

As to the Manhattan project..any reading of the story behind it illustrated the very difficulties our nation had in producing just the two bombs which were used. The designer/engineers not only did they have great difficulty designing and building the bombs..they also had to design and engineer thevarious tools to build the bomb...as they were on totally new ground here. Pioneers.

I think it is an exaggeration by our own government that they had enough materials to build 12 bombs.

 

What is also not known by most Americans is that certain nuclear materials and design information was being shipped to the Soviet Union during the war ...when we ourselves had only so much of this stuff for our own uses...including yellowcake nuclear material. This was shipped through an air delivery supply line which began at Great Falls , Montanna and went to Alaska and on to Siberia in Russia.

 

This information can be found in this book..
From Major Jordan's Diaries by George Racey Jordan

http://www.amazon.com/Major-Jo.....%27s+diary

Major Jordan was the base commander at the Great Falls air base and he states that this nuclear  material and other materials and information was shipped to the Soviets with the consent of the White House...and at a time when we only had so much of this stuff for our own uses.

Also shipped to Russia from Great Falls, Montanna were complete portable oil refineries, and the printing presses, paper, and special ink to print us bank notes...paper currency.

Major Jordan kept notes on what was shipped and noted also that when shippments could not be made ..the Soviets had a direct phone line to the White House to complain to Harry Hopkins who worked directly for Franklin D. Roosevelt.

 

It is from books like this one and others going back to the American Civil war that I began to get an idea of the double dealing which went on before, During, and after the wars to illustrate the profiteering which went on as a result of the war...and that these wars are not all that our patriotic flag waving beliefs mislead us to think.

 

We constantly seem to create our own enemies..as we did with the South in The American Civil war..with Germany and Japan in the Second World War ...as we are doing to day with the Arab nations and ISIS..and others. Arming and supplying our own created enemies for the next war. 

 

Japan on her own could never have learned to build Blue water ships and submarines...aircraft, tanks etc etc etc...and become a world class power for which most of the world did not know existed before December 1941...not without serious and deliberate help from the West...England and the United States.

This know how could only have come from the Western nations who knew how to build and navigate these types of vessels on the blue oceans. Aircraft as well.

We built our own enemy here and then destroyed them for economic purposes.

We are still doing this today.

 

Nonetheless..I do not believe we had sufficient materials to build 12 bombs..and it would have had  to be done over some 6 or more months time...before all 12 were ready. Shipping them and providing security was another issue all together when considering what happened to the USS Indianapolis.

She just happened to be sunk after she had delivered the bomb materials..but it could have been different.

But history is written by the victors..and not always based on real events but perception and political needs of the time.

Remember this for the next time flag waving is needed by our political masters..and before the next war...to send off our finest blood to foreign lands.

 

I get very weary and alarmed at the same time when our predictable pseudo leadership needs us on the bandwagon by using and misusing the word..."Hitler" to describe the next created enemy and get us on the bandwagon where needed and prevent us from  thinking  for ourselves.

Hitler is often a word used on us to prevent thinking and instill "Herd " mentality...just like today the word "Racist" and "Homophobe " is used on us to get consent or at least  silence. So too with the name/word  "Hitler."

 

I note quickly when these  words including "Hitler" is used by our phony leadership.

 

Bewarned.

 

Thanks,

Orangetom

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