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UFO's in Ancient Medieval Artwork
February 22, 2010
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Apart from its presence in ancient cave paintings and mythologies, the presence of saucer shaped flying objects are also visible in many famous European medieval artwork. Following are some famous controversial paintings of such kind:

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These images of two crusaders date from a 12th century manuscript Annales Laurissenses" (volumes/books about historical and religion events) and refer to a UFO sighting in the year 776, during the siege on Sigiburg castle, France.

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These two tapestries were created in the 15th century. Both depict the life of Mary. Hat shaped objects can be clearly seen in both tapestries. The one on the right is entitled "The Magnificent". Both are located at the French basilica Notre-Dame

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The above painting is by Carlo Crivelli (1430-1495) and is called "The Annunciation" (1486) and hangs in the National Gallery, London. A disk shaped object is shining a pencil beam of light down onto the crown of Mary's head. A blow up of the object can be seen below:

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The above is a painting on wood drawer from furniture kept at the Earls Doltremond, Belgium. Moses is receiving the tablets and several objects in the sky are seen near by. Date and artist unknown.

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The above picture depicts Jesus and Mary on what appear to be lenticular clouds. The painting is entitled "The Miracle of the Snow" and was painted by Masolino Da Panicale (1383-1440) and hangs at the church of Santa Maria Maggiore, Florence, Italy.

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This image is by Flemish artist Aert De Gelder and is entitled "The Baptism of Christ" It was painted in 1710 and hangs in the Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge. A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus.

The opponents of ufology states that, explanations for these round shaped objects would vary from painting to painting. Many experts referred to ‘Abstract’ & ‘modern art’ and stated that the meaning of these objects might vary from artist to artist & may not necessarily carry the same meaning in all these pictures. Hence concluding that all these artists encountered flying saucers in their life and then drew the picture in a symbolic way to alert the future generation, would be a stupid assumption to hold.

The usual explanation for these mysterious objects concludes in a similar pattern and to the opponents, the obvious answer is: ‘Religious Symbolism’! In 2004, Diego Cuoghi (a renowned italian art historian, writer & artist) came with a detailed explanation of all these paintings. In his publication, The Art of Imagining UFOs, in Skeptic, he tried to portray the symbolism of many famous artist of that time and presented a very rational meaning behind most of these paintings.

Here is a link where you will find some translated portion of The Art of Imagining UFO's: http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte....._1_eng.htm

Dawkins thinks belief in God is an excuse to evade thinking in the scientific world. Sadly, he is ignorant to the list of christian scientists who have contributed & founded many of the sciences he himself believes in. How ironic.

February 23, 2010
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another fantastic post smokinjoe....wow...the info in this thread..even if you are only an art history buff....

thankyou for posting this..saved the link..(sometimes need to read things twice..to fully absorb..)..sometimes once is enough...<<( but then again..not usually)

May 19, 2010
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I believe that some version of the zoo hypothesis is close to reality. They came. They saw. They tampered. They isolated. They moved on. Makes sense on several levels. Any intelligent species is going to want to protect its position in the cosmos. Other intelligent species are a threat. If they do nothing then they will have no control over what nature creates. Look at history, and especially religious history and you see evidence of them being here and messing around with us. They guided the course of Human development for a time. Hermetic scriptures almost come right out and say it (Discourse on the Eighth and the Ninth). Judeo/Christian texts say it. Hindu texts say it. Mandean, Manichean, Gnostic, Sumerian, on and on.

People record events that are significant. If something extraordinary occurs, people want to record the event so people later can see that it happened. So it makes perfect sense that it would show up in art.

Noah's ark was probably a scientific expedition to collect and transport animals via their DNA. Isn't that what a technologically advanced zoo keeper would do? Hey they are talking about this right now on TV, what a coincidence. ❓

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May 20, 2010
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I'm going to give my opinion pic for pic, because I believe the UFO bit is misintepertation of religious symbolism.

1 Holy Grail

2 Holy Grail

3 painting reference point (note how the alledged wings match the angle of the arches dips)

4 painting reference point (note how the alledged wings match the angle of the arches dips)

5 Ezekial's wheel 6 is a close up of the same

7 Indeterminable nees a larger picture could be mold for all I can see

8 Manna (or Communion Bread) from Heaven

9 Ezekial's wheel

As you will note ezekials Wheel shows up, not an Alien craft but to Medeval painter an easy to paint reference to messages from God, it a lot easier to paint than a seraphim

July 18, 2010
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While many depictions can and probably do represent religious symbolism (yet no Christian denomination readily states aliens exist) not all fall under that category.

I'm going to give my opinion pic for pic, because I believe the UFO bit is misintepertation of religious symbolism.

1 Holy Grail

2 Holy Grail

3 painting reference point (note how the alledged wings match the angle of the arches dips)

4 painting reference point (note how the alledged wings match the angle of the arches dips)

5 Ezekial's wheel 6 is a close up of the same

7 Indeterminable nees a larger picture could be mold for all I can see

8 Manna (or Communion Bread) from Heaven

9 Ezekial's wheel

As you will note ezekials Wheel shows up, not an Alien craft but to Medeval painter an easy to paint reference to messages from God, it a lot easier to paint than a seraphim

1 & 2 are actual recordings in history during a battle. The UFO's were spotted by both sides of the warring factions and recorded by both sides. 7, doubtful a painter would paint mold into any artwork. 8 is about snow, not food. Lastly, 6 And 9, as the whole story goes, Ezekiel was taken up into the wheel by the beings and was never seen from again. The rest could simply be religiously interpreted.

Dawkins thinks belief in God is an excuse to evade thinking in the scientific world. Sadly, he is ignorant to the list of christian scientists who have contributed & founded many of the sciences he himself believes in. How ironic.

July 31, 2010
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They've showed up in wars before. They even showed up WW II. Strange how we have Italian artists drawing paintings of aliens communicating with Jews. Where did they get that idea from? Seems like in pre-modern times god was commonly thought to be an alien and only recently did god become an ethereal supernatural being. Like I said, they came, they tampered. They can't have humans running all over the galaxy. The Romans just wanted to hang on to their collapsing system of oppression and enslavement and the Jewish religion was the most convenient one available.

August 5, 2010
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The use of the "solar disk" (with or without rays proceeding from it) as representing God's power is not uncommon in ancient and medieval art. These two links may be of use to you
http://www.medieval-life-and-times.info ... an-art.htm
http://www.crystalinks.com/sol.....discs.html

Not everything is a flying saucer.

August 8, 2010
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Nice post shadowcass..I do know about the Sun and its relationship to many mythologies.

I'd have to disagree that the "Baptism of Christ" is a sun god. Both John the Baptist AND Jesus Christ taught against such worshipping. So, whatever the circular disc is that is beaming down light on the figures of Christ and John the Baptist, the painter surely isn't trying to say it's a sun god of any kind.

Dawkins thinks belief in God is an excuse to evade thinking in the scientific world. Sadly, he is ignorant to the list of christian scientists who have contributed & founded many of the sciences he himself believes in. How ironic.

October 1, 2010
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hello peoplei have a interesting topic is all about atlantis island in ancient times atlantis a powerful island that is rule by they called it elder one past down to generation to generation it was discovered by aliens from mars it was in the out skirt of portugal this aliens of today are human beings they consist of 44 delegation from different planets like in the modern of today UN nations they come in peace from different sectors of the universe they are called alliances of faith this discovery was after the dinosaur period the island was described like this in the center of the island there was a pyramid like in the aztec period and in the north ern part of the island mountain ranges and then valley then beach head in the southern part there are villas and pier and terrain and the western part there was villas and beach head and in the eastern part of the island there was a pier and villas smooth terrrain and its capital atlanticos city the first elder one was pamparicos and last elder one was aman rarenticos that was when atlantis sunk to the bottom off the ocean the cost of destgruction of atlantis was the explosion of the power sources of the island that created huge tremors that made thew island like a jugsaw puzzle before it sunk it sunk in the period of ramsesII reign after plato died this here are the part of the list of the 44 delegates from different sectors in the universe

mars white , light brown people
venus red skin
saturn yellow skin
mercury russian, latvia,estonia,georgia,lithunia
platikos african,aborigines people
tronataka malayan races
bynum middle east
nokrapata bulb head races
jupiter white caucasian
agelican winged people
gumbaticoka reptilians
palemade greek race

in atlantis this was the center of commerce at ancient times and delegation meet giving diamonds and gold and precious stones for the elder one from there planets there corporation to make buildings like babylon and tower of babel ziggurat and pyramids in south and noth america and to it a secret not to teach to much technology to decendents like us today others escape the blast of atlantis and others fly there spaceship out to other planets to seachers again the people left here in planets earth struggle to survive with lack of technology andd the stone blocks half of it came from the stone cliff of mars from pyramid s of egypt and ziggurat
and the universe is divide in to sectors the known sectors are 500 million sectors and estimation of sectors are 900 zillion 20 times by people from mars the look like us and there are millions planets like ours we belong to the sectors 5 group that are compose of 250million planets

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this information is base of list there are classified just what the world to know that there are existing planets in the universe that looks like planet earth but light years from are sector and other sectors in the universe the list has 500 million sectors that are known but only a few that I give so that you will know the name of the planets in our sector other upper sectors our hostile but there million light years from out sector because other aliens are searching other planets for there colonies to prosper because over population of the aliens in the universe the explorer aliens are those that have bulb head figure they come from our sector 5 planet nokrapata they have colonies from other sectors in the universe to exact as of now is 1 billion sectors and still searching from more planets to live in bulb head aliens are scientist aliens there here in planet earth from science and research and exploring new things in earth they arrive in the planet earth during the dinasaur period there one of the delagates of alien that attend the convention center in atlantis the center of the world in ancient times like in
UN gatherings in the USA yes we have found some earth form planets in our sector that have forest area water terrain mountain ranges that have fish animals plantation like here in earth they got some minerals like oil diamonds that are size of our head and gold ore in our sector there are 250 million planets that are registered with there color and size features the one planets they discovered like the gliese 581g is just one planets in our sector in our sector the 10 planet to 20th planet are earth like structure and the 21st planet tothe 23th planets is like mars and mercury this is the find of the century coz we humans have a chance to colonies other planets that are population to live in like the bulb heads the have a lot of species running around the universe from planets there number are 500 species of bulb heads the color of the planets in our sector that are like earth are sky blue, blue green, green blue, brownish blue here are some facts in sector 58 400million planets the angelican planet is found here are the winged people and the ancestor of humans came from because there to races in angelican planet the winged people and the humans were the creator lives or the great one rules called by the alien humans were adam and eve came from before they arrive with the creator in the garden of eden in the bible now we called UAE i hope you guys were not shock about this findings coming from the list that is classified

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