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Why the Skeptics Are Wrong...
July 3, 2011
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Exhibit A:

In "The Demon-Haunted World" astronomer Carl Sagan wrote about the theory that
the alien abduction experience is remarkably similar to tales of demon abduction common
throughout history. "...most of the central elements of the alien abduction account are
present, including sexually obsessive non-humans who live in the sky, walk through walls,
communicate telepathically, and perform breeding on the human species. Unless we believe
that demons really exist, how can we understand so strange a belief system, embraced by the whole Western world (including those considered the wisest among us), reinforced by personal experience in every generation, and taught by Church and State? Is there any real alternative besides a shared delusion based on common brain wiring and chemistry?"

Gee Carl is that the best you can come up with? Laugh You'll accept demons as an explanation but can't wrap your mind around the idea of extraterrestrials actually being here on Earth? 🙄 I wonder if he ever thought WHY reports of alien abduction are similar to Succubi etc. Perhaps because they have similar if not the same sources. Our ancestors wouldn't have understood high tech stuff. They still relied on superstitions and assumptions.

All this shows is how out of touch with reality this guy could be. What he did is substitute one for another. Now I want an explanation where demons etc. come from. But Sagan conviently leaves that part out. 😉 I'd accept ETs existing alot quicker than anything demonic. There's far more evidence for them.

And no dilusion is going to manifest itself in the such closely similar ways with as may people that have reported abductions. Especially over the period of time that reports have come in.

So in summation Mr. Sagan I thoroughly took apart you "evidence." And I don't even have a science degree. :mrgreen:

Exhibit B: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.....ael_Jacobs

David Michael Jacobs is an American historian and recently retired Associate Professor of History at Temple University, specializing in twentieth century American history and culture. He is well known in the field of Ufology for his research into alleged alien abductions and UFOs.

Jacobs obtained his Ph.D. from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1973, in the field of intellectual history. He wrote his dissertation on the controversy over unidentified flying objects in America. A revised edition of his dissertation was published as The UFO Controversy in America by Indiana University Press in 1975.

As a faculty member of the Department of History at Temple University, Jacobs specialized in Grey alien geography and history of 20th-century American popular culture. He stated that his current research interests "involve a delineation of the role of anomalous experiences in personal and cultural life." For over 25 years Jacobs has taught a course on "UFOs in American Society

It stands to reason that with over a quarter century in the study of Ufology that if Dr. Jacobs had come across evidence that led him to believe abduction reports were not true then he would have stopped and moved on to something else. But the fact that he's been at it this long strongly indicates there's something to it.

How many years of study do the skeptics put in before they make they're assessments? :think:

Exhibit C:

The belief by skeptics that abduction reports are made to get attention.

Ok show me ONE person who is so desperate for attention and can't get it any other way that they'd make up something like this. There are so many easier and better ways to get attention that don't result in ridicule from others.

What if it were true?

July 3, 2011
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demons/extra terrestrials/people
whatever
same difference

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

July 5, 2011
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"bionic" wrote: demons/extra terrestrials/people
whatever
same difference

I believe that is incorrect. Demons are most certainly NOT the same as ETs. Demons are a type of non-human spirit entity of complete evil. They are more or less as The Bible portrays them and various forms of them can take possession of a human being. While this is happening the demon can control their host's actions and speak through them. There's even a report of one being able to levitate the chair their host was sitting in. Basically take the movie The Exorcist and think of it like a documentary on such matters. Pyschics can be used in the Exorcisim process. There's a report of one gaining the demon's name through telepathy. The first case I mentioned was gained through the traditional rite.

What if it were true?

October 1, 2011
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"Carl Sagan has what I call the arrogance of ignorance. He is a person who has enough arrogance to believe that he can answer the UFO and abduction mystery through lack of knowledge." -David Jacobs

October 2, 2011
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close minded individuals might see extraterrestraila as demons..they are not..or to be honest..some are, in a way..some are not..some LOVE humans and want to see where they might go...

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

October 2, 2011
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IMO Extraterestials can be in this 3 rd dimensional form or into another lower or higher dimensional form whereby the atoms and molecules vibrate at different frequencies.

Depending on their scientific and spiritual advancement they can be thousands or millions years ahead in knowledge and science whereby they are able to live in their bodies endlessly, because they have conquered death. And if however their body are destroyed by accident they have the abilities to either get back into a new full grown body as an adult, or reprocess their spirit energy body into a new baby to continue to evolve and to continue also the race.

However some Ets are more technically advance than us and can be less spiritual with a negative inclination either in this or other dimension.
One thing for sure there is no burning hell no devil and demons.
Just beings living in this dimension or another one which is more or less spiritual or with more of less in a highly evolve advance in scientific world.

October 22, 2011
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"WarAngel" wrote: [quote="bionic"]demons/extra terrestrials/people
whatever
same difference

I believe that is incorrect. Demons are most certainly NOT the same as ETs. Demons are a type of non-human spirit entity of complete evil. They are more or less as The Bible portrays them and various forms of them can take possession of a human being. While this is happening the demon can control their host's actions and speak through them. There's even a report of one being able to levitate the chair their host was sitting in. Basically take the movie The Exorcist and think of it like a documentary on such matters. Pyschics can be used in the Exorcisim process. There's a report of one gaining the demon's name through telepathy. The first case I mentioned was gained through the traditional rite.

REALLY? Have you not heard of "The Collins Elite"? You need to read Nick Redfern's book FINAL EVENTS . BTW: here's some music to read it BY :dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SelI5uBwwnE

October 22, 2011
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"WarAngel" wrote: [quote="bionic"]demons/extra terrestrials/people
whatever
same difference

I believe that is incorrect. Demons are most certainly NOT the same as ETs. Demons are a type of non-human spirit entity of complete evil. They are more or less as The Bible portrays them and various forms of them can take possession of a human being. While this is happening the demon can control their host's actions and speak through them. There's even a report of one being able to levitate the chair their host was sitting in. Basically take the movie The Exorcist and think of it like a documentary on such matters. Pyschics can be used in the Exorcisim process. There's a report of one gaining the demon's name through telepathy. The first case I mentioned was gained through the traditional rite.

If you have time please read click on the following link
The bible and UFO connection
http://www.bibleufo.com/introduction.htm

The real translation of the (Hebrew: הַשָׂטָן ha-Satan), to greek is the "the opposer". It is not a pronoun or a name. It is an adjective
The real translation of the Greek word Devil (Greek: διάβολος or diábolos is 'slanderer' or 'accuser' it is also an adjective

There is no word in Hebrew equivalent to the English word "demon," nor any word that communicates the same meaning that the term communicates in English as an malevolent being in the service of the devil out to destroy humans. That idea today has been shaped by the imagination of medieval writers and popularized in the modern church in terms of evil beings against which Christians need to wage "spiritual warfare." Yet, the ancient Israelites lived in a world in which that view of "demons" was not part of their culture or way of thinking.

The Bible UFO Connection is a collection of the hundreds of references in the Bible to flying vehicles, close encounters, futuristic weaponry, and advanced technological character of the race of supreme beings known as the Elohim.

The Bible UFO Connection is the result of research undertaken to find links in three, seemingly unconnected fields, theology, archeology, and ufology. In general terms, flying gods, ancient advanced technology, and the unexplained objects flying in our skies. It is the intent of this site to present truth that is hidden from the public either by ignorance or intention. It is up to the reader to judge if these long hidden connections and truths are random deletions or whether they may indeed be the key to the world's greatest deception.

This work is the result of over three decades of the research and experience of Patrick Cooke and the associates of the Oracle Research Institute, based in Berkeley, California. Patrick Cooke is a published author, an autonomous theologian and eschatologist, and is recognized as a nontraditional biblical scholar. This work is not associated with any established religious organization or belief. The concepts and paradigms presented are intended for information purposes only. All scriptural references are from the Authorized King James Bible, unless otherwise noted, and all interpretations of the original meanings of individual words are from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

The work began, formally, in 1997, and was first published in 2001. The website now contains over 3000 pages and has recorded over 11 million page views in its first 8 years online. It is visited by over 200 countries worldwide, currently receives over 2.5 million page views a year, and consistently ranks in the top 30 of UFO-related websites. There are two sister websites connected to this work, and several books and videos associated with it are published by Oracle Research Publishing. All websites, videos, and books are linked below.

The broad scope of this work encompasses several sections to bolster the evidence proving the existence of UFOs, ancient advanced technology, paranormal and human phenomena in the Bible and the modern world, and ancient anomalous artwork and structures. The databases on UFOs in history, the media, investigations, crash reports and quotations, giants, the lost books, cryptozoology in scripture, and the galleries of anomalous artwork and ancient structures are the most extensive available on the internet. The scriptural content of this work covers over ten percent of all verses in the King James Bible, with exhaustive attention to the original meanings of all major words directly associated with any concepts presented.

October 22, 2011
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Just one point..."Elohim" is the plural of the Hebrew "El" and means "Most High" it is the name translated "God" in Genesis. The Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) is FULL of alternative names for God because the True Name is considered too sacred to be spoken. That is the famous "Tetragrammaton" or 4-lettered name that God applies to Himself when asked by Moses "Who shall I say has sent me?" It is usually anglicized as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" and means "I am He Who Is" alternatively it could be translated as "I am the First Cause". But see my blog on this https://thenookofwisdom.wordpress.com/2 ... -the-nook/

I don't really mind if people want to come up with wack theories about the Bible and UFOs based on their complete ignorance of the languages involved but for those who might be confused let us be clear.

There IS mention of things that resemble the Modern Conception of UFOs but it has no connection with "Elohim".
But see https://thenookofwisdom.wordpress.com/2 ... us-truths/ for a brief introduction to this.

Additionally one might take notice of "Elijah" who is referenced in that blog. His name incorporates both EL and "Jah" and, in addition he is called "the Tishbite." Now, "Tishbite" is from the Hebrew word for "Stranger".

There is a whole community of these "Strangers" living in the area of Gilead. Their community is called "Tishbe". So Elijah is a Stranger from among the Strangers in Gilead. Traditional scholars take it that he was born there but there is no indication of that.

ALL we DO know is that he was not a member of any tribe or race known to the Israelities of that day...and that is really ODD when you think about it.

Not only have the Israelites wandered all over the place during the Exodus but the great days of the Kingdom of David and his son Solomon have come and gone.

So just who in the hell ARE these "Strangers" and how is it that the only one we know by name leaves in a UFO?

THAT is what people should be looking into...not empty theories about alien races called "Elohim" or whatever that have only come about because the writers who popularized these conspiracy theories knew little Hebrew and less Greek.

Incidentally "Elohim" (Greek "Eloi") is the Name Jesus calls on from the cross.

Now you may carry on....

October 22, 2011
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Oh...one more thing...the English word "Demon" is a cognate of the Greek "Daimon" which meant "Wise One" and was used by Socrates as the name of the being that was instructing him. In the New Testament it is the name given to the creatures Jesus and His disciples encounter in various places. (Usually mistranslated as "devils" in the King James version among other places.)

What these are are the surviving spirits of the Nephilim who lost their physical bodies when the Flood wiped out all life. They were the offspring of human women and the Fallen Ones.

You can find the account of the birth of these half-breeds in the sixth chapter of Genesis. They are still around and still looking for bodies to possess...in one case "the demoniac of the Gadarenes" they even ask permission to go into pigs rather than remain bodiless. Unfortunately it turned out that the pigs would rather commit mass suicide than live with these things in them 😉 cf The Gospel According to Luke 8th Chapter 26th through the 37th verse.

This is the incident where the creatures possessing the man give their name as LEGION ("for we are many") remember the movie GHOST RIDER?

You might also be interested in this link: http://www.prairieghosts.com/w.....olves.html where you will read: "One of the first Wisconsin werewolf sightings occurred in 1936. A man named Mark Schackelman reportedly encountering a talking wolfman just east of Jefferson, Wisconsin on Highway 18. As he was driving along the road one evening, he spotted a figure digging in an old Indian mound. He looked closer and saw that the figure was a strange, hair-covered creature that stood erect and stood more than six feet tall. The face of the creature boasted a muzzle and features of both an ape and a dog. Its hands were oddly formed with a twisted thumb and three fully formed fingers. The beast gave off a putrid smell that was like “decaying meat”.

Schackelman returned to the site the following evening, hoping for another look, and this time, he actually heard the creature speak in what he described as being “neo human”. The beats uttered a “three-syllable growling noise that sounded like gadara with the emphasis on the second syllable.” Schackelman was a religious man and after spotting this obviously “evil” creature, he began to back away from it and to pray. Eventually the creature was lost to sight." follow the link for more.

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