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September 23, 2014
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Hi Ho - Black Vault!

My Handel is "Watcher".

I spoke to Mr Greenewald via Email before posting this.
I was concerned that I might be stepping on someones toes posting this here.
I would like to fit in with the current Abductee community.
Mr Greenewald thought that I might fit in here.

So here go's

Feel free to speak your mind.

I have a little experience.
I am over nearing 60 years old.
I have nothing to gain by this but I do have perspective.
I know there a lot of Abductee's that feel that they have no where to go.

I can speak as one that has been threw a group abduction while I was in the US Air Force Stationed at Holloman AFB in New Mexico in the 1970's.

I have had more experiences with & without my family periodically ever sense.

These are not wakening up from sleep events.
They have been in the after noon & at night.
But in each event I have been allowed to have interaction more & more over time.

Durring abuctions:

I have been allowed to speak on my own at times.
I have been asked to voice my opinions on the questions that the abductors I had were posed to me.
I was trained to do a few things.

I have been been threw the bunny hole to speak.
With some experience's under my belt I am open to questions or speculation posed by other Abductee's
& those interested in investigating the truth out for themselves.

I am interested in the technical aspects of what I & others have been threw.
I am interested in assisting others come to terms with there experiences.

Please respect the risk I and my family take in opening this conversation.

I am not interested in bashing your beliefs or you bashing mine.
The ball is in your court.

- Watcher

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September 25, 2014
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As one who is unsure about being abducted but with missing time events with some serious bruising (no memory of being injured, dont sleepwalk) I am curious as to how you know for certain it is an abduction event and not some psych. issue or
phys. issue that is causing me to feel like I do, before the missing time I begin to feel odd, then tingley all over and an odd thing is my tongue begins toslide across the roof of my mouth then......I wake up sometimes talking to myself, wakeup is wrong more like coming to from a dream state sometimes several hrs later! does any of this ring a bell to you?

September 26, 2014
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Well Dan.

From what I have come to understand i was lucky.
I was not alone the first time I was consciously abducted.
I was with a group in the after noon.
I was with my wife.

I was off base at a friends house. (Holloman)
It took quite a while for it travel and come to hover @70 feet or so above us.
It all but blocked our view of blue sky's above.

Being the local dumb a** I hit it with a rock.
Then we remember nothing for hours in my perception at the time.
The next moment we were not in the same spot we were just the instant before.
We all stood shoulder to shoulder in line in a nearby parking lot.
The sky was now pitch black.
The UFO was a 1/4 mile away.
slowly rising about to fly into the missile range.

As I my friends and I expected the nearby base scrambled the hot F15's after it.
As the Aircraft left the runway the device traveled 300 miles or more in an instant in a straight line over the horizon.

So when I hear of people like you i don't have that problem.
But I understand your problem.
All of us abducted had no problem the laps in time.
Or our relocation.

We reported it to the OSI on base.
We had no idea at that time that we had been abducted.
Decades later my wife and I came to grips with it.
When I started having flashbacks of the events that I previously discrbed but with much more information.
With more and more peaces that fit in. But was it real.
My wife was there to confirm it for me.
We had not forgot but it just like slipped our minds for a decade or so.
Weird... That was the start of my trip down the bunny hole for us.
The bunny hole just got deeper and deeper the more we looked.

If I were you and could look at myself then I would be analyzing every fact that I could pick apart.

Where was I?
What did i feel physically?
How did I feel mentally?
Could I have be sick?
Could I have been sleeping or have some sleep related issues?
Eplisey has some symtoms that might cause the mouth type symtoms.

I hope that it is anything but what your proposing.
I would not wish to bring these events into the limelight unless i had exhausted everything else.
It's officially no fun.

Their is no better way to take away someones feeling of safety,
Than to Abduct someone against their will, Without their permission.
Then to make it apparent to the abductee that you can come and go as you will.
Plus throw in that there us nothing what so ever that they can do about it.

So I would suggest talking this out a little.
I hope that it proves fruitful for you.
If you need help getting your thoughts together post again.

I or some other abductee might have the words you need to get threw what you are experiencing.

Peace and Love to you,

- Watcher

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September 26, 2014
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Dan following up on this giving it time to develop gives perspective.
Keep in mind what I said previously.
See if things or your perceptions are changing or static.

I found that in the end I was able to dismiss some things that I thought were important at the time.
But things I dismissed at face value ended up being the important things that I should have been concentrating on.
By no means was what I would now call my awaking, to be categorized as linear static in its progression.
Nor would I categorize it as under my control many some instances.
It would come and go in bursts of bits and pieces of memory, disjointed and out of sequence.
but now and then there would be full 30 min experiences of flashbacks in one huge chunk...

- Watcher

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October 9, 2014
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Hello "Watcher" are you still up for some converstation, I would like to chat, I have had experiences since a child, would be interesting to see if any of our details match up.

October 13, 2014
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Hi Watcher

In France, I fully agreed to work with these beings. They require permission. It is a small woman of Asian type, and a queen bee. The little woman controls the vast Hive Queen telepathically. Their male can not procreate in their world, and they do science experiments sophisticated genetic design. I'm never in the process of sleep paralysis. A serious chat is interesting++++

October 15, 2014
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Sorry for tardiness in responding Burnbabyburn.

May I assume you are in France?

I sometimes wonder if anyone has checked the large UFO current reporting sites and have found regular patterns?
Sightings seem follow what some refer too here in the states as flaps or flurries of activity.
Then they will suddenly stop and nothing seems to happen in the area for period of time.
I know that these events are happenings are world wide.
Maybe they are just going to other continents or locations and it is never stopping.

It is my perception they might just have accomplished what they were here for and move on.
Maybe moving to another site due to weather, magnetic changes, pending or ongoing events or some unknown force.
In a few of my abduction experiences I was witness to something that could only be described as systematic restaffing or restocking.

I think an international group of us might just help us hone our perspectives.
Making us sharper, and assist us in dealing with the reality that we have been dealt.

Regular people with a good grasp on reality have no problem seeing ET, Star Trek or Star Wars.
But let a relative, neighbor or professional pier have and abduction expedience.
Then see how they react or how supportive they are.

I am proud to tell you that there are a few out there that are supportive.
I think that they are special.
I know the difference they made for me and my family.

Many of us feel so alone. We are not.
Many of us can not speak out adding to the isolation.

- Watcher

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October 18, 2014
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Hello Watcher 😎

Yes, I live in France, near Paris.

Your story is really exciting, but the experience of missing time prevent humans to see and see all the work done by external beings from other worlds "or" by travelers (human in the future), returning to the present . You should not see some things, and I asked these beings do not have the memory of our meeting. They "encapsulated" I remember in one part of the brain. I do not want to think constantly about that.

In the USA, it seems that there is a number of people who are abducted by "bedrooms visitors" approached by black shadows. This is why it is interesting to have motion detectors and infrared cameras, I think. Admitting that these beings are tangible, or resembling holograms. I do not really believe in mental or physiological coercion. I think you experienced two periods: before and after your mysterious abductions. You know, we're not the same, after the abduction (night vision overdeveloped, telepathy, reading in thought, mental strength, physical, empathy, expanded consciousness, etc.)

You and your wife, you can be more aware of your surroundings. These experiences have been good, I think. Despite criticism and questions.

Currently, the great waves of ufo's seem to come back in America in my opinion. But I think many are ufo from land. These are military futuristic designs, such as large vehicles, troop carriers and civilians, "the giant cigar", "giant black triangles."
Still, I think there's about thirty of alien species on Earth right now. Many are scientists, researchers, etc.
They do not interfere with human activities.

I am sending you a graphical representation of my little alien "Asian." His face is almost triangular. It is small like a 3 year old. His clothes were white as a spacesuit. She speaks in our head, and we have the ability to respond. They know all human languages​​.

Have a great day, Bye, BBB +++++

October 18, 2014
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November 18, 2014
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I have been away for a while now. Sorry for the delay.

I would be glad to speak to you about your experiences Mr Smith.

The creatures that I have dealt with burnbabyburn are a different as a shell fish and a monkey.
The thing I took away from my interactions with them is that they are no different than us.

They have their own beliefs.
They have their own positions in their cultures.
They have their own jobs.
As far as my experiences go I think they can not all be grouped together in their intent nor actions.
Each individual that I interacted with was doing a job or interacting in a set decorum.

If we were in a business meeting, just interacting at work, or formal government inquiry we would act differently than we would just speaking around our dinning room table a home.

My experiences interactions with the creatures were one way at the beginning.
Like you would have if you were taken into a operating room as a patient.

Later on I was in somewhat a training position going threw what might best be described as basic training.
We were physically and mentally prepared to work together and use our skills together and alone to accomplish a goal so to say.

Much later I was trained to fly transporting people and troops from one place to another.
I was given tasks and worked with others to accomplish them.
The craft was not conventional and the tasks were either off planet or out of our normal timeline if I had to guess.
The normal people I worked with were fellow abductees.
But we interacted with different Alien races after being trained.

In my last few abduction experiences I was taken before a panel of different Alien Races that asked me questions.

I was allowed to answer candidly but stepped over the line when addressing one of the representatives.
He was a creature that I have a real hard time being in the same room with without just going off on him.
I don't want to think that I would group together all the creatures of his race.
But, I know it would take everything I have in me not to hurt them before I gave them a chance to state or act on their intentions.

That meeting for me was held underground in a formal room.
There was an overhead observation room that I could see human lab coated males watching over a gard rail.
As i was interviewed.
They were taking notes on simple legal pads.

I was restrained in a chair that was built for me.
Kind of a clam shell that i sat in that then folded back over my legs and torso.
My face was open to the room but the rest of me was encapsulated in the chair.
I had hand controls positioned where my hands rested inside the chair.
They were disabled for the meeting.

I don't know how to express this but I felt a dread hanging in the air of an eminent war.

The panel filtered into the room and took their places in front of me at a semicircle table.
All the open seats had all already taken their seats when a very short cloaked creature entered the room.
All seated rose and somewhat bowed as he took his seat.
I sensed a all but benevolent and Holey prescience just in instant before and as he entered the room.

He greeted everyone and then started the meeting.
He directed and asked me the questions personally.
One by one.

The creature I had an uncontrollable hatred for would interrupt me during my answers.
He would argue to the panel his opinion about what i had to say.

In one interaction I got very short with the creature and screamed out that he was a F**kin Nazi.
I tried to wrestle myself out of the chair even though I new it was impossible.

The director of the panel stopped us arguing.
He told me that to respect the creatures station.
I apologized.
He had me mentally disciplined.

He asked me one more question I had a one answer response "Yes".
I in the chair was then taken from the room.

I was very pissed at that time.
I apologize to all if I was representing us as a race.
I hope not. I was not at all a good example.
I was pissed and at the time if could have gotten a hold of that creature he would not be breathing today.
I am ashamed that I still feel that way toward him.

- Watcher

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